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MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
Describe the subjective process by which you decided whether to get up. Probably you just felt like it, or were coerced by your bladder. If you had a reason, then your actions are a product of that reason, which itself is part of a casual chain of past circumstances that you can't control now. If you didn't have a reason, then your decision to get up or stay was random, and that's not free either.
MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
Okay I accept your compatibilist definition that actions are done with free will despite being part of a causal chain. Congratulations, you won the language game, and can proceed to claim we agreed free will is real. You now have as much free will as a rock rolling down a hill.

> If you choose to define an action as representing free will only if it is uncaused then first, you've made up a definition entirely at odds with the normal English usages

I was trying to be precise, and assumed you agree that something that's part of a causal chain cannot be reasonably be called "free" by any common sense definition. You can't change the past after all, can you? If not then you're a product of circumstance just like everything else in the universe.

MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
My argument wasn't considering the difference between having a thought and acting on it because I did not think it was an important distinction.

Whatever mechanism there is that makes you act on some thoughts but not on others, that mechanism is itself subject to the same mystery as thoughts are. What I mean is, you would have to make the decision to make the decision to act, but not before having made the decision to make that decision, and so on. What we in fact experience is no such regression of decisions, but instead merely the sensation of the thought, possibly followed by the sensation of acting.

That you identify yourself as the voluntary thinker of your thoughts and actor of your actions is a beneficial psychological feature surely, it's the difference between someone suffering from schizophrenia and someone not, but that feeling is necessarily an illusion because of the reasons I have explained.

MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
In order to author your decisions, you'd first have to author the decision to author your decision, and so on. So you would need to decide what your next thought is going to be before your think it, as well as deciding what that thought was going to be. Clearly, that's nothing like how our minds work.

If you remain unconvinced, try meditating for like 5 minutes. That is, focus on nothing but your breath for as long as possible. You could not avoid having other thoughts pop into your head even if your life depended on it.

MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
> The "free will" question has centuries of ethical baggage attached to it that are critical to a functioning justice system, among other concerns.

In that case the concept is detrimental to our justice system. Take away free will and it still makes sense to protect society from dangerous agents, the only thing that changes is the notion of justice being somehow predicated on retribution and punishment instead of rehabilitation and restoration.

> that anything that comes from the brain of a single individual is that individual's free will, by definition.

In that case free will is the effect of your past causal history molding the neuronal structure in your brain, your brain's current chemical composition combined with electrical signal processing. Describe where there is something "free" in that.

> If I hold a gun to your head and force you to do something, that isn't your free will, but if you choose to do something without my influence, that is your free will.

That does not make any sense. It's not like I can choose to ignore my self preservation instinct when I'm on top of a tall building, but suddenly can't ignore it when being threatened by you. You seem to claim that we are influenced by our environment only in some subset of circumstances. How can you tell when that switch is turned on or off?

> Whether you actually had the option to make another choice (whether any specific moment in time has multiple different future paths based on some magical internal rational agent) is irrelevant.

How are you defining free will if the ability to make choices is irrelevant? Also it seems to contradict your previous sentence that I have the ability to make a choice unless you are influencing me.

MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
Well, since we are motivated by self preservation it might make sense to talk about blameworthiness when we figure out whether to lock you up or the person who threw you, or to cut out the brain tumor that caused you to suddenly become aggressive. Invoking free will still does not make any sense though, because you cannot choose your past, and I don't think you can argue that the past doesn't have any causal influence over you.
MikkoFinell··on Has there been progress in philosophy?
Free will has been settled though, hasn't it? The best case for it these days seem to be a language game called "compatibilism" where you redefine free will to mean something vague about acting according to motivations, and when someone accepts that definition you turn around and say "Aha! We do have free will after all!"
MikkoFinell··on Andy Rubin Puts Essential Up for Sale, Cancels Next Phone
Wanna know how I'm 100% certain that your job and hobbies does not involve typing beyond casual chat messages?
MikkoFinell··on Tesla that crashed in Autopilot mode sped up before hitting truck: police
I agree. Moreover, it's obvious to me that an imperfect human pilot is worse than no human pilot at all.
MikkoFinell··on Tesla that crashed in Autopilot mode sped up before hitting truck: police
You're making it sound as if Tesla invented the phenomena of distracted drivers that cause traffic accidents.
MikkoFinell··on Tesla that crashed in Autopilot mode sped up before hitting truck: police
Lets change the marketing, then people won't die from car accidents anymore.
MikkoFinell··on Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact
Why not just program it in Rust if you want to guarantee that the system doesn't have any security vulnerabilities?
MikkoFinell··on I wish mum's phone was never invented
"That is so sad and convicting. Great reminder for us all to put those phones down and engage with our kids more."

I imagine a mother posting that comment on her phone, with a couple young children looking at her sadly in the background. She feels good about the change she decided to make in her life, after checking facebook just one last time.

MikkoFinell··on Meta Crush Saga: a C++17 compile-time game
Trigger warning: Rust programmers should be careful about clicking the link. The article contains a controversial joke that might shock some readers.
MikkoFinell··on Scientists think the cell nucleolus may play an important role in aging
> The quote is a riff on what Max Planck, himself an eminent scientist said on the subject:

Yes I'm familiar with the quote and of course it was obvious that you were referencing it. What's funny is that you seem to believe the only reason I'd disagree with something you said is that I'm unaware that Planck said something similar. I'm unable to get a hold of Planck to discuss it with him, and thought I'd ask you about it since you're here promoting his ideas, but I realize that I should have made that clear to you.

MikkoFinell··on Scientists think the cell nucleolus may play an important role in aging
> And that would mean that a younger generation of scientists would have to wait much longer before their ideas could be discussed without opposition from the established elders who see their pet theories attacked by these uppity youngsters.

Okay I will accept that premise for the sake of the argument even though I don't actually believe it's true.

Based on that you go on to conclude it's a good thing that scientists die, so that science can keep advancing.

You're essentially faced with a trolley problem, where pulling the lever one way will make everyone immortal at the cost of slowing down scientific progress, but pulling it the other way will euthanize everyone in the world, and euthanize the countless billions that might live in the future. Somehow your morals (or whatever you call it) tell you that euthanizing everyone is better than slowing down scientific progress. I disagree with you there.

Why not even try to solve the problem some other way than killing everyone? I don't know, why not, say, create an off-world colony outside the reach of those evil progress-impeding elders. Just throwing ideas out there.

Taking your logic to its limit, why not just kill every scientist after their first paper is published? But I don't think you actually want that, so lets hear your argument against my strawman.

MikkoFinell··on Scientists think the cell nucleolus may play an important role in aging
Yeah we can at last make some more progress in science, now that we're finally rid of Hawking.
MikkoFinell··on Scientists think the cell nucleolus may play an important role in aging
I will give your offspring a 90% chance to get in on the longevity escape velocity. You get around 50% depending on your current age and general health. If you are close to 40 years old, and have been neglecting your health, then you might want to invest in cryogenics. Otherwise you want to invest in artificial intelligence and medical research.
MikkoFinell··on CBS “60 Minutes” piece on Google’s abuse of dominance
> seize that market with unfair practices

Please describe what you consider a fair practice to seize a market in general terms.

MikkoFinell··on How to disappear from the internet
> Not in my experience. I mean, people are people everywhere, but IMHO HN is exceptional is this regard; I see less of it here than almost anywhere else.

As an experiment, go to some relevant thread and courteously imply you don't share the belief that Rust is the greatest invention since penicillin.

Then watch what happens to your karma.

MikkoFinell··on A pure JavaScript implementation of Git for Node and browsers
> the ownership of your object (who is in charge of free-ing it) and the lifetime of the pointers that targets this object. (the whole ownership system & the borrow-checker)

Having to bear the cognitive burden of making the lifetime explicit in all of the code is a steep price to pay for the benefit of securing the small subset of the code that is actually complex enough to potentially cause a problem. I wouldn't mind having such a feature be optional though, so that you'd enable it for the most precarious parts, something like a safe{} block rather than unsafe{}.

> will this function mutate the value I give it. (&mut pointers)

We already have const. Yes I agree it's better to enable by default.

MikkoFinell··on A pure JavaScript implementation of Git for Node and browsers
Which information in particular is missing from the C type system in your opinion?
MikkoFinell··on A pure JavaScript implementation of Git for Node and browsers
People are actually claiming that Rust is more readable than C?
MikkoFinell··on AI and Compute
Is AI defined as "mysterious future thinking computer"? Anything we figure out how to do seems to suddenly fall outside of the definition.
MikkoFinell··on Rust at CloudFlare
Hah, could you imagine, someone saying they found a bug in a piece of Rust code? I haven't read the HN terms of service, but I'm guessing they you'd get banned pretty quick for something as egregious as that.
MikkoFinell··on Rust programs versus Go
What is it like?
MikkoFinell··on Chess boxing
What do you mean by "intellectual value"?

I find it interesting to watch combat sports, because it's like an experiment in human physique and psychology that reveals of what kind of self defense is actually effective and how humans function under extreme conditions. For me, that is valuable even if I never got in a fight for the rest of my life.

MikkoFinell··on Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?
Covered for linear algebra? Yes those videos have some nice visuals but the material is just scratching the surface.
MikkoFinell··on How can we be sure AI will behave? Perhaps by watching it argue with itself
I would want to stop a human trying to turn everything into paperclips as well.
MikkoFinell··on How can we be sure AI will behave? Perhaps by watching it argue with itself
I wonder if you would change your mind about that when you are being fed through the meatgrinder that turns you (and everything else) into paperclips.
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