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It's very clear, but your exposure to zealots, on both sides, shouldn't deter you from being objective and seeing what these technologies actually offer. Hence why i wrote that part in the 2nd to last paragraph.

HN has such misinfored vitriol for any technology it didn't ordain itself, you sem to be of that cohort, what's odd is that very same people who gave you VC.SV funded startup land are all major backers of this technology.

I can just summarize this in one phrase: you seem to collectively not know, what you don't know and make leaps in logic and misinformed judgments from that POV.

I've been in the former since '21 and have seen every single cycle since 2011 in the latter, I can assure their is more dumb money in the former than in the latter; (just by scale alone) at least in the latter whether it was ICO or NFTs or whatever mal-investment was promptly punished (rugpulls/exit scams) companies like INTEL get to stay in Zombie mode because of the corpo-welfare that the US doles out while shaming everyone else to be prudent with their investments while these corps and banks spend like drunken sailors and tries to strangle the former out of existence (rightly so in most cases as most crypto is a total scam).

With that said, what you will see emerge are some incredibly established players in both fields that will have the staying power to change how the Industry is shaped around them: Nvidia and Bitcoin are comparable to one another in that respect.

Both have/had crazy volatility but the staying power and just the fact they remain firmly at the center of both Industry's is rather telling that you simply don't see what these technologies offer because of the hype and boom and bust cycles.

As a person who directly benefits from this: I can assure you most of these VCs are exit liquidity just as most foolish people are for the alt scams of yore, execpt the US economy (likely all of the Western World at this point) isn't entirely reliant on the promise of vapourware with 'crypto' in any capacity, weheras the same cannot be said about the theatrics of Jensen's Nvidia.

Source: I build data center infrastructure for these mega corps doing 'AI' and I'm doing an MSc in CS (Big Data) and been a Bitcoiner since Satoshi was still on BTF.

Unless you're a local you won't understand, there are subtle things images cannot show accurately; for example just north of Oceanisde in what is technically S. Orange County exists a surfing hot-spot, for locals and tourists alike and is host to many surf competitions: but, because Nixon had his 'White House of the West' the area was covered with those spiky plants to deter riffraff like 'hippy surfers' or 'beatniks' from enjoying what he deemed 'his' coastline. It's totally invasive plant and now those spikes are all over the place and you can be terribly injured (I got an infection on my foot once when I stepped on one in an open wound from surfing low tide) just walking down the beach without sandals.

Lets just say they leave there mark, and it's one we all wished we could do away with, including places like Billionaires Bluff.

Again, its Californian culture for everyone (local or otherwise) to enjoy the coastline entire industries are built around this and it's a total disservice to do otherwise; but it must be said that it's usually outsiders that try to carve their own enclave solely for themselves and these are the results--that Indian billionaire comes to mind.

I don't make the rules, in fact if you are seriously wondering what use 'darker' people's data have had with AI training look no further than the surveillance based platforms that are responsible for tons of false incarcerations of mainly black US citizens [0].

I'm not sure if it's going to change for the plight of the 'Global South's' data either. It's not that I think it's inherently prejudiced, either; it's more like it's optimized to be greedy in order to extract as much value as it possibly can from the current system at all costs.

People need to stop smoking hopium and thinking that this is going to usher some sort of egalitarian renaissance, this is business as usual by the mega corps that bring you this tech.

0: https://innocenceproject.org/artificial-intelligence-is-putt...

While they claim E2E encryption, I seriously doubt they would offer this service entirely for free with having some backdoor or potential MITM breach that they likely tucked away in the ToS given the wide use of it it most of the World who pay for SMS/text messages: it just seems so incredibly unlikely to be entirely encrypted from a company that willing gave DMs to Netflix, used Cambridge Analytica etc... But even if it is encrypted, the meta data generated can tell you a lot too--as was the case with Pokemon GO--that may not directly benefit LLMs, but could help with creating dark patterns that make your AI companion (under the guise of an LLM) the 'must own' when deciding who to buy tokens/compute from.

Speculative for sure, but just look at the Twitter file leaks revealing how social media platforms willing work alongside intelligence agencies.

Seems about right to me, Android dominates the mobile World by sheer numbers.

But what is the value that they can derive from user data? A million Bangladeshi's texts from food delivery is probably a lot less valuable than say a Singaporean using Numbers on Mac OS to layout the next lucrative investment and the data they;d get from the correspondence of say 100 high net worth individuals hidden behind iOS (Pegasus MITM attack notwithstanding).

Again, the name of the game is to derive signal from noise from data, bulk collection is primitive when training models and often incredibly difficult to work around once it is in. I seriously think Gemini had this problem, along with QA/QC issues, rather it going from so-so Bard to total 'woke' Gemini. I may be wrong, but I think this is what happens when you go down the bulk collection and unfiltered/un-curated data route.

While true, it's META who has won that arm's race long ago in my view; hell, they just disclosed that they have private access to DMs to Netflixh [0] in a lawsuit.

If you don;t think they are training their own models on this data over all their platforms you have to be a complete idiot o: Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp.

That is a much larger treasure trove given the sheer scale of people on those platforms, Google is limited to mainly Android users and those who use it's suite on PC (relatively small compared to social media users), which excludes most Mac users.

The thing they don't tell you about this dark underbelly of AI is just like the (meta)data that is for sale to 3rd parties, it's tiered price structure wherein Mac users are often the premium tier de to their more 'affluent' status and likelihood of impulsive in app purchases.

This is why I think META already won the AI race, they opensource Llama and have the a massive treasure trove of data to refine and train when they see what the OSS community creates that is of actual value: ChatGPT/DALL-e runs at a loss for MS/OpenAI. But if anyone can monetize this gold rush it will be META.

And perhaps more critically from an infrastructure POV, Llamma now runs better on CPU [1] rather than GPU, which means they won't have to be constrained or price pinched on GPUs like Microsoft, Google, Amazon likely will due to demand constraints from Nvidia (see ETH mining craze during COVID). They can focus on optimizing their data centers with more free cash flow which meant they can have a bigger footprint for when they finally figure out how to properly monetize this AI bubble, because it is is a bubble, from now until then.

I think Zuck learned from Libra that staying out of the limelight during a bubble is critical if he wants to undo the Metaverse money-pit/losses.

0: https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/facebook-allowed-ne...

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39890262

That's not entirely true, there are may reasons; my friend has a startup in TJ working with professional cross-border migrants because of the immense pain it is to migrate to the US, mainly costs associated with living expenses but also the delays in approval. Hell, even getting his wife approved to come to the US, as a Mexican national married to a US citizen with a dual national child cannot enterthe US aas freely as you are making it out to be.

I think this is the whole victim becomes the perpetuator thing that is all too common in the Human Condition.

They welcomed Ukrainians fleeing the war with open arms, I helped feed and help them find legal resources to get processed in the onset of the war in '22 into San Diego, but when it's 'lesser then' like Russians/Belorussians or other Latin Americans, SEA or Arab nationals fleeing war, famine, or climate change the prejudices were obvious.

While this feeds into the founder kool-aid we all drank as founders, it also speaks volumes of truth to me to this day: I rejected where biology/ecology was going even when supposedly favourable paradigms--Al Gore's inconvenient truth and Carbon Credits were a thing as I was wrapping up my undergrad and I was appalled by both--were standing in front of progress and the most obvious solutions if you could take the small amount of time to familiarize yourself with emerging technology outside your gradschool bubble. Something I don't think academics are actually capable for fear of seeming to reveal themselves as hyper-specialized in one aspect only rather than the polymath they may seem/convinced themselves that they are.

Also, it is my experience most academics are tone-deaf and incredibly petty individuals: a visit with the tenured faculty was enough for me to run for the hills of the debt-laden, financial crisis impacted work-force.

I still visit my Biochemistry professor from time to time, who did well getting into Bitcoin, when I launched my startup working with the Hemp Industry; and I'm super proud of playing a part in that since we both got hit hard during the 2008 financial crisis. But I'm glad I turned down his offer to work in his lab and get my Masters and went through boot-strapping hell to launch my startup after working in many Industries just to get by.

It was interesting white boarding about the bio-chemistry of CBD (and other cannabnoids for that matter) infused drinks/food I could pitch to my clients as profitable avenues of growth after struggling to make it to class and 'only get a B-' because I just didn't 'fit' (read: rebellious) the school model at all despite having both honors and letters of recommendation to join two labs.

I'm in Grad school now (almost 20 years since starting my undergrad) for CompSci now, but only because I'm working to transition into Big Data and I already work on the large Data Centers spurred on by the AI hype; luckily it's a non-thesis program for experienced and working professionals (I'm currently on assignment for a sub-contractor in WY).

Is there a word for when something is so predictably absurd because of both it's irony and blatant hypocrisy?

I misspoke and meant shares:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4488501-how-to-invest-in-sp...

>>I’m guessing there’s also significant overlap in electronics development. I know the automotive sector has special requirements for chips and electronics, and I’m guessing SpaceX uses some of the same requirements/methodology for in-house electronics design.

This, but even companies like Nissan had an aerospace division (it was in Sunnyvale near the AMES NASA location) at one point (prior to the Renault partnership) which it sold to IHI in 2000 [0]. The engineering and tooling fabrication necessary in aerospace often overlaps with auto, obviously to much higher fault tolerances. And lastly companies like Nissan (brand I'm most aligned with despite not owning anything made since Ghosn took over) still dip their toes and make prototypes like these as a PR exercise [1] with partnerships with Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency for example.

Lots of talent floats back and forth at Tesla/SpaceX between the two, the lady that did my interview at SpaceX (Browning) was the same one I met at Tesla in Fremont, and there were a few other heads I recognized that day from Model 3 hell/ramp, too.

I'm sure contractors and sub contractors for specific parts/assembly lines could also overlap, but the truth is I'm not privy to all those finer nuances that go into making a specific bolt or suspension piece but from conversation with people who do those things as suppliers/general contractors it is a common thing.

I lived with an elderly couple in Switzerland who owned a company that repaired assembly lines for bun machines for Burger King but also helped provide specific tasks for the development of the tools/machinery for the Euro-fighter program for example.

PS: Elon is cosplaying an aerospace engineer, the fact you cannot tell is why this narrative around him exists despite him showing how incompetent of a CEO he REALLY is with Twitter/X when he can't take credit for other more talented people's work.It's the leadership and dedication of Shotwell--an actual aerospace engineer with experience in both auto and aerospace--you should really be impressed by regarding SpaceX's success, Elon just funded/paid for it which is a vital but far less impactful part of the equation.

The man doubted Falcon Heavy until the day it launched for FFS!

0: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2000/02/14/national/nissan...

1: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-db8318528a...

I think you will find that it was Elon who made that outlandish claim, she merely towed the line in public, as a COO would, knowing full well that such a time-line (often regarded as Elon-time) was entirely absurd and made it clear if you follow her work.

In short, if you think these claims came out of her mouth, you're both uninformed and entirely ignorant to how SpaceX actually operates--Elon may hold the CEO title, and granted himself 'chief engineer' (haha, cosplaying at it's best) but the reality is that it was Gwynne's leadership and key connections and experience within aerospace and auto industry (the two often overlap) that has made SpaceX what it is today.

Bankruptcy? You do realize the war happening in Russia makes Souyuz a no-go forever, along with constant aborts [0], and makes SpaceX the only resupply/crew vehicle, right? Not to mention Starlink, and the Artemis mission(s).

Also, non-IPO SpceX stock go at insane premiums if ever sold by employees (a major part of TC) and company's who hold this stock also trade a high premium just because of this fact.

> If you are shit talking, have some balls, and do so from your real account instead of creating one to hide your arguments behind.

Talk about being entirely out of touch here, to the point the it's really embarrassing.

0: https://apnews.com/article/russia-launch-space-station-abort...

And was probably the most prophetic of all his work, to be honest Snowcrash was total satire, and fan-service: it was much like the Crypto-anarchist Sloath short-story he wrote (THE GREAT SIMOLEON CAPER) it was meant to appeal to a a certain audience and really no one else. It was widely distributed (it was in TIME back when that was a big deal in the 90s at the peak of Silicon valley's foray with Crypto Anarchy) but ultimately targeted content to a specific demographic, which would illicit a certain response. Few if any every bring this up when discussing NS' bibliography.

Its like Solar Opposites is a riff of Rick and Morty where the Rick character is put in a different universe and rides that story-line as far as it can before it gets tiresome but has a b-plot to carry it through for the audience to make it an entire season.

And while Snowcrash was... mediocre (in my opinion) things like Sushi-K rapping or the hi-jinks of Uncle Enzo's Pizza delivery business are exactly the kind of hokey material one would expect from such subject matter that would land for said demographic. Is it a good representation of the Cyberpunk genre, as a fan, absolutely not.

Also wasn't Amazon supposed to make a series about Snowcrash and has been 'in the works' [0] for like 7 years now? They canceled The Peripheral which was kind of a rip-off Snowcrash and that had good reviews, I can't imagine they'd really try to try to flesh-out the Metaverse when 85% of Snowcrash is just filler with an incredibly bad ending.

Hell, Amazon canceled The Expanse despite having a ton of more original content and being quite the cash cow, the books still sell incredibly well and the fans are die hard, many of them signed up for Amazon specifically for the last seasons and canceled when it was over.

Personally, I think with costly shows like GT getting the axe and Clacrkson's Farm (something I enjoy more) being what is left from the trio it shows that Amazon doesn't have the wear-withal to see such immense things through in my opinion so we may never see Hiro or YT on screen.

0: https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/29/16383994/amazon-streaming...

I'm not trying to be mean, but the adage in poker of spotting the fool at the table here applies. And as a person who rides bicycles, motorcycles as well as drives cars, and has driven in the EU with much stricter driving requirements I'd say there has been a massive drop in aptitude over all.

So much so that I just want to live a life that allows me to be car-free now. EVs are nice, but having everything I want within walking distance is much more preferable.

I understand you work in the insurance Industry, but I worked in the auto Industry before and after COVID and just went through 2 total loss claims with my insurance and handled a lot of these third party warranty policies for my customers and think I have a more nuanced perspective than your own as mine is multi-dimensional.

I can tell you that while it's true people may be driving more aggressively, not after but during COVID as police weren't pulling people as frequently due to fear of contamination coupled with emptier streets, but the real reason claims are being declared a total loss (resulting in higher costs) is exactly because of the disruption in the supply chain and the shortage of parts kept in inventory for even 5 year old vehicles.

After dieselgate, Mitsubishi US was absorbed by Nissan US, who has been undergoing a great deal of pain since the ousting of Carlos Ghosn who left it in economic shambles with bad financing policies that resulted in lots of cost cuts during and many more after the Renault feud. Trying to get parts for a 2017 Mitsubishi after 2020 in the US was futile as the two dealerships merged together.

It was often the case that you were better off purchasing parts from Hyundai for shared platforms as getting them from Japan were difficult if not impossible as they had severe COVID restrictions and the plants stopped and the catalogs/inventory seemingly vanished in a matter of months during the first year of COVID.

I have had many battles with submitting adjusted insurance claims for service/parts that made me think the burden of a owning an imperfect new car was best solved by selling it back to the dealership at the inflated offer they were paying back then and getting a 'good enough' used car from us or elsewhere given how much time was being wasted dealing with these policies. One customer I inherited had a 3 year old VW CC was using our loaner for over 6 months waiting for an ECU and a harness which was covered by parts and labour by VW, and this was in 2023!

My Italian motorcycle was broken into and it's main wiring loom was ripped apart in the process, and declared a total loss: the cost to repair and replace was projected to be about $1500, which is reasonable but the problem there was over a 2 year waiting list and it was unlikely to ever be found since the part was made by Ducati before it was absorbed by VW Audi Group and was impossible to be found in even the HQ in Bologna according to owners because demand for it was low as it was known to be a defective part and best to solve by swapping out with parts from more widely available Suzuki models but meant changing everything from the stator onward to work reliably which easily tripled the initial estimate. Add to the fact that this bike had low sales figures outside of Italy and I took the settlement offer and gave up on ever owning one again.

The same thing happened to my much less rare Japanese motorcycle, which was much older and less expensive but the same thing occurred: deemed fixable but no parts can be found so is declared a total loss.

My insurance rates just went up by 25% 2 months ago, despite them not having gone up during these two events (over 6 months ago and months after my policy renewal) or even after 2 tickets several years back as I have an otherwise clean record and I'm beyond the risk age.

The response given to me by my insurer was that 'everything is going up' and that servicing my policy was naturally also subject to a price increase but was not a direct result of the aforementioned reasons which makes me think that in fact no... insurance in the US is not too cheap but incredibly convoluted and subject to arbitrary price increases.

Personally speaking, I think Equihax was the better counter-argument; at least with 23andme YOU as a customer had to DECIDE to use their services and weigh the pros-cons of doing so, with Equihax I was forced into a rating system to determine my eligibility in a system that hoovers up any and all data sold to them by 3rd parties and holds all my personal information in order to complete anything from a loan application to a job application.

And when found to have been breached no effective recourse was made, and instead of admitting fault to a very high probability of Identity theft being the end result a token 'credit system monitoring' service was offered, which once again relies on these credit agencies who share/distribute this information without my consent and created the problem are let off scot-free and never suffer any consequences.

In short, it's a naive argument made from often ignorant and self-defeating practices that make others worse off because of their complacency and refusal to take privacy serious.

But even so, those are loosely held ideals as the last few decades have shown that such trivial things will not get in the way of protecting their wealth. Idealism is set aside when it comes to ensuring inexplicable perpetual growth in one's most valuable asset.

Or the large scale logistics to service, maintain, supply, and feed these metropolis': it's a centralized relic of a bygone era, and the sooner we accelerate WFH and actually frame it as way to counter-act climate change this will never gain traction. Succumbing to the landed gentry's will has been a story as old as feudalism itself, but this has to be something that must be collectively fought for.

I've lived in commercial buildings in a city cental, and at night or on Sundays when I was there entirely on my own all the heaters/ac heat pumps would still be going all day/night: and all the lighting and electronic devices plugged in were still whirring away. I got really drunk one night and lost my keys walking up the stairs (the elevator was still on just not accessible from my side of the building at night) and while trying to retrace my steps I realized how deafening how the sound of so many devices can be if you actually pay attention to it with no other ambient/background noise is there to mute it.

Currently? The place is unrecognizable to us Californians since the late 90s; it's been a cesspool created by a long series of events, which at it's core has to do with wealth inequality, and overt NIMBY-ism and gentrification coupled with mental health issues and ends with substance abuse and crime: and it's been like this for some time, but it's only now that the monied interests are having to deal with the very real prospect of having land/building depreciate they call foul and are using the media to leverage the undoing of WFH.

This is big tech's blight, and I want nothing more for them to finally own up to this and do something about it, instead of enabling the squalor that they have created: even as a person in tech it's hard not to give credence to the techno-feudalism arguments many of it's detractors point out as the inevitable outcome from constant wealth and power consolidation given this reality.

Thanks for that, I did a one off 300 euro donation back in '21 during the bubble market; Meredith has been doing the rounds [0] and she hits on lots of good points, and even went to the UK over their now failed bill during the Summer.

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykfABSBeAVo

They are often the source for lots of Asian ingredients in mainland Europe, while I was in the UK we sourced lots of things like umeboshi and miso from Holland; to my surprise being from CA with lots of access to Japanese/Chinese/Korean ingredients I found lots of the Dutch stuff to be really good.

I'm not sure if that has to do their with relationship (and desire for it's food) with Japan during the isolation period, but there were lots of Japanese products in a biodyanmic farm/shop I worked at in Germany too.

Sadly, it was rather limited in scope because they are the main exporters of conventional food in the EU for a reason.

I had some potatoes from the Island of Jersey when I was working in kitchens in London, they were incredibly good and paired well with seafood dishes: I had to do some research on a dish my Sous had asked me to create with them and I found out why they were so well matched.

Turns out the Isle of Jersey is often covered in seaweed [0], and they use it extensively in the cultivation of it's potatoes. So even indirectly they are eaten even though things like wakame and kombu are not common outside of fine-dining in London they are still a main-stay of the British diet, well if you Jersey Royals at least.

0: https://jerseyroyals.co.uk/about-us/

While I concede that populations with livable-experience spanning millennia tends to drive Societies in that direction. I think it's more accepting a certain amount of tolerable corruption: China is incredibly corrupt, and will go to great lengths to window dress in order to appear to be either compliant or at least effectively operating within acceptable parameters. This is a common attribute of totalitarian regimes, wherein your proximity to power is what ultimately dictated the level of severity with which you will be punished, my first experience with this was with food: specifically that of organically grown food and came ot a head during the baby formula poisoning event which led to a black-market in HK. Then we saw this first hand how the CCP dealt with Bitcoin, and its continual 'banning' despite Bitmain being led not just by a Chinese national, and then a very member of the CCP itself, but even exchanges like Hubei thrived in this time and held on to a majority of the hash rate.

Long story short: Bitcoin is now banned but there are still a significant amount of miners in mainland despite all the theatrics.

There is nothing Anarchic about it, its blatant favoritism that coincides with all class based structures that congruently emerge within a State: despite all the rhetoric of equality within Socialist/Communist doctrine would lead you to believe it makes you wonder if this isn't EXACTLY what they all lead to. I'm sympathetic to the class inequality of Socialism, and even see the (often misinformed) tenets of Marxism tries to remedy and it's long-term aims but... it's theoretical and practical applications wildly differ from the former and the only result that remains constant is that lots of people end up dying in starvation, pointless wars and land/ecosystems are often destroyed for generations in the process: this came very apparent to me outside of ideological purview during my apprenticeship in horticulture in E. European countries that I visited and then once more when I was living near a hotspot of the collapse of Yugoslavia.

They were taking out mines and other un-exploded ordinance from what was my community's front yard less than a Km away from a park near a marina where mothers walked with strollers around Marina and Promenade and about ~2Km from my very home.

>Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

Fascinating isn't the term you want to use here, and I take it you have no one in Tibet, Xinjiang or Hong Kong, because of you did you would see this from an entirely different lens, and nothing is fascinating about it unless you enjoy pointless Human misery/death/subjugation.

It's almost like the application of Law is circumstantial and based on a litany of factors that create an insular ruling class that have no qualm with erasing History by force: even the norms of genocide (HK is mainly Han) ethno-cleansing (Xinjiang) fall apart but are not off the table in order for the CCP to cement it's rule at all costs in ways that actually matter.

The only real experiment of Anarchism that was remotely allowed to stand in China was Kowloon's walled city [0], and to no one's surprise the CCP has been doing everything to hide it's 'shame' and 'colonized' past ever since the uprising in 2019, forcing everyone out and bulldozing the area under 'renovation' and offering the HongKongers little to nothing in return in the process.

0: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/kowloon-walled-city

Damn, well there goes my senior project idea... I got the inspiration from YT cracker:

Push the gas - escalate the gauges

Escalate hits on our camgirls' pages

Blaze it and hit em with a script full of sexy phrases

Slow down and turn the corner

We been cornering the game since the five and quarter

Represent that nerd world order

Replacing all the brick and mortar

Sending mails off an auto forwarder

From a girl in florida with a case of boredom

And you can't ignore em cuz the filters weak

Into the inbox they all creep while you sleep

There is enough content out there to train models to do this, and scraping all the social media for more content made this inevitable.

Back in 2019 I went to an album release party, indie label artist, and I saw the cover of the album and it looked pretty damn near a girl I worked at but... Cyberpunked hero.

I was shocked of not just the resemblance (the face had a lot of detail) but of how likely the ability to this had started to become commonplace with deepfakes starting to hit their stride. Weeks later I was talking to her friend, and mentioned it in passing: she asked me to show it to her as she thought it was funny, so I did. Her response was not what I expected: 'Wow, you think I look like that? I guess I'm really hot.'

Honestly, this is why I always questioned the implicit disorienting nature of online dating apps and their effects on the psyche as non=participating observor: there was a mantra back in the late 90s early 2000s that 'no girls are on the internet' [0], with hindsight it turns out it wasn't just pervy dudes catfishing, but it would end up being bots run and operated for profit by said guys.

Bizarre times indeed.

0: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-int...

Ah man, his early stuff still holds up; but when he started to get into 140 (Dubstep) I just couldn't get into it; I had been in that sound since 2006 and while I appreciate him expanding as an artist, it was just off-putting.

Mark Pritchard on the other hand (1/2 of Global Communication) had a much better go of it and even got a release(s) on Deep Medi for example.

This [0] is more psyambient, isn't? I hate typecasting into genres, but I always saw that as the more chill-side of that version of EDM whereas psytrance was more like Alwoods [1], E-Mantra or Capsula etc...

I spent many HDDs streaming SomaFM and got to listen to a ton of it, but there was a notable difference when those tracks drop in not just tempo/BPM and bassline sigs.Cosmic Leaf Records was a really cool label that used to deal in both sounds as their artists had lots of cross-over.

And thanks to this thread I just found out CBL dropped an album this year, going to go deep on that later this week. Still rinsing World of Sleepers after all this time.

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4KqXUE0F4 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMy1pB4NG10

So... East Palo Alto?

Gas got to $7/gl in LA recently (again) and I was wondering if there was any difference; when i lived in Sunnyvale I had the misfortune of driving a V8 and while I never ventured too far I always wondered if I went to Los Gatos or E. Palo Alto if it was cheaper.

I wised up and just got both a Costco and Sam's club membership so I just bought it that way and saved money that way.

As for doing this in order to comabt climate change... please, if they reversed the policy on solar then I'd take them serious; this seems like yet another attempt for incumbents to benefit.

> how do they dare to invade privacy like this /s

Moreover, how adept is it at selling this surveillance technology the World over in order to circumvent privacy but were unable to deter the attack and still be able to justify their panopticon is something I simply do not understand.

This will be like seen as a 9/11 analogue for them for years/decades to come; a tragedy that was likely avoidable, and could of have been thwarted if their overly surveilled systems in place were actually effective (big if) but because of a criminal serving as PM who gets re-elected to avoid prosecution has enabled this in order to benefit from the status quo by allowing funding to Hamas has put not just his population at risk, but the entire middle east: we have to be now and admit this is honestly a humanitarian crisis that has gone on for decades, and has led to genocide being sold as defense--never mind that whole ethnic-cleansing and illegal forceful occupation in the West Bank.

The spill-over seems rather stark, but entirely on the table at this point. And it's stuff like this that makes it seems like it's intentional and using this as window dressing and advertisement for it's spyware:

> The Israeli military allowed a New York Times journalist to view the data-tracking system, hoping to show that it was doing what it could to reduce harm to civilians — even as its warplanes killed hundreds more Palestinians on Monday, including in southern Gaza, where civilians had been told to take shelter.

I wonder if there will ever be an Israeli Edward Snowden moment?