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Is this a joke?
I’m being rather charitable when I call the tidyverse “user-friendly”. That might be the goal of tidyverse devs, but it hasn’t been the reality since inception.
The point is even if we assume it is or will eventually become user-friendly, are we willing to accept the trade-offs that come with that?
You’re right, mentorship is key and I do my best to suggest better practices. They are often quite happy to find out they can do more with less and can forget having to remember multiple additional syntaxes (looking at you “ggplot2”).
I somewhat understand why R instructors lean towards the tidyverse - Wickham’s group produces a ton of tutorials and workbooks, so it’s easy to just point students there - but it has led to entire cohorts of people producing poor code
Not to mention the ridiculous styling/formatting of most tidyverse users, which Wickham and others seem to promote. One of the reasons R has lost ground to other languages recently is that most R code these days is ugly