JaggerJo

Any chance you still know the title of the strangeloop presentation?

Btw. building GUI apps is super simple in F#.

(mac, linux, windows, ios, android, web)

https://github.com/fsprojects/Avalonia.FuncUI

hah, that’s interesting. Thanks!

+1

I’d love to ban ads from public spaces and most of the internet.

Used this to create a Debian VM on my M2 Mac mini. Works great.

Everyone in our team of 5 does..

With JetBrains Rider ist a great experience

Yeah, this is quite nice once you are used to it.

yes, but then it’s not one request per page

This breaks once you need to update parts of the page without reloading everything.

What fields would directly benefit from this?

Would buying quantum computing stocks be a good idea now?

I wonder if there is a way to make a profit by buying quantum computing stocks right now..

confirmed.

For people looking for a replacement:

Take a look at F# and Fable (F# to JS compiler)

But.. why?

Couldn't you just use Rust + OpenGL/SDL2/.. or even AppKit if macOS is the only supported OS?

what noise?

I get your example of ‘seq { 1; 2; 3; }’ but list, array are not even shortened.

Exactly. And you can even pick between 3 IDEs

- JetBrains Rider (best IMHO)

- Visual Studio for Mac

- VS Code with Ionide

+ macOS

Really? Were you active in the slack/discord channels?

Don is still working on F#. The F# team at MS now is bigger than is was years ago. People from different companies and the community are collaborating on compiler and language features.

F# is beyond microsoft, a lot of early adopters are still there.

We use F# in prod. Could not be happier.

I think you should give F# a shot instead.

1. No standard and easy way of implementing interfaces

No problem in F#, you have interfaces, abstract classed, ...

2. Bad standard library

In F# you have access to the full .NET standard library and ecosystem. There are also quite a lot of libraries that are especially designed to take advantage of F# (SQL libs for example).

3. Syntax problems

3.1 OCaml doesn’t have a single-line comment syntax.

It's `//` for single line and `(* comment *)` for n line comments in F#.

3.2 It has for and while, but no break and continue. So you use exceptions with a try inside the loop for continue, and outside for break.

Same in F#, use recursion.

Generally F# solves some of the issues but definitely not all of them. Some are just in the nature of the Standard ML syntax I guess.

4. Rest of the package is also not that good

- NuGet is a decent/good package manager. - Easy to install a complete dev env. - sane build system (MSBuild) - Great out of the box support in JetBrains Rider/ Visual Studio (for Mac/ Windows) or via a VS Code plugin (Ionide).

The code to declare/build the widgets is quite nice. Modifying widgets by hand on certain signals or manually re-wiring all the signals seems a bit outdated to me.

Wonder if something like FuncUI [1] could be built on top of it.

[1] https://github.com/fsprojects/Avalonia.FuncUI

No.

Ok, nice to see this is improving for the big brand android phones.

A lot of people buy cheap $no-brand phones that probably don’t get (any) updates.

iPhone 6s (released September 2015) - ~ 8 years and going

Nexus 5X & Nexus 6P (released September 2015) - last update January 2019 [1] ~ 2.25 years Pixel & Pixel XL (released October 2016) - 2019 (can't find a good reference) ~ 3 years Pixel 2 (released October 2017) - December 2020 [2] ~ 3.3 years

[1]: https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guar... [2]: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-re...

My conclusion: an iPhone outlives (at least) 2+/3+ android phones

Name a brand thats better in providing software updates and security patches for their fleet of phones.

Repairability is a fair complaint - but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. So $android phone is “broken” after 2 years.

F#

F# also is kicking ass.

Were running .NET 6 + F# in production with ~4 developers and its been a breeze.

Backed by https://avaloniaui.net/, a cross platform .NET UI framework.

pass, because it’s electron.