Jackpillar

> Places where technological innovation and development happen have existed long before the internet and semiconductors. The industrial revolution didn't originate or center around the Bay Area.

You said tech hub. By all definitions of the term the Bay Area was the first. Nor did I say the industrial revolution originated around the Bay Area?

> What? You made the argument that Bay Area has some kind of special access to tech talent because of Stanford - I simply pointed out that the vast majority of Bay Area tech employees are not from Stanford (not to mention many Stanford alums leave California).

You tend to do this a lot. "Many Stanford alums leave California" and "talent is being outsourced at ever increasing rates". Just vague generalizations that offer nothing to the overall conversation.

I made the argument that being close to these universities gives the region a constant flow of world class engineers and researchers. This is true whether or not they work for Bay Area tech companies you understand this right? Regardless, out of the reported feeder schools into tech 5 out of the top 10 are California universities.

> MIT, Harvard, Yale, Georgia Tech, Waterloo don't exist?

You just named universities from 5 different states/regions? Please keep up.

> And several google/deepmind employees from/educated in UK won a nobel prize in 2024... what's your point?

They weren't from the same school? The UC system altogether has over 150 nobel prizes and thats before including private institutions like Stanford, Caltech, USC, and others. Thus exemplifying the unique system dedicated to research and technology consolidated in one region..

> It was more true (but still very boring) 10 years ago, not anymore.

Going to be honest man from interacting with you it seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about the bay. I don't even live there I live in LA. It shouldn't bug you to point out the objective fact that the unique confluence of geographic location, surrounding education system and research institutions, compounded wealth from prior historical industrial/technological windfalls, makes SV the premiere tech hub that is consistently on the forefront of burgeoning technologies - not by accident.

Are you also confused as to why NYC is the finance capital of the world? Do you think Toronto could usurp it one day if they just try hard enough?

Yeah except for it has always been a tech hub because the term "tech hub" didn't exist before the Bay Area? I mean the first message sent over the precursor to the internet was from UCLA to the Stanford Research Institute in 1969, and the SF Bay Area having some of the first infrastructure for high-speed internet was a key factor into its position as the tech hub. Mind you this is all preceded by Hewlett Packard 30 years earlier setting the stage for the semiconductor revolution, and even this is preceded by 100 years with Leland Stanford. To much to talk about here as to why there is a unique mix of private capital, industry/government collusion, university research and development, and more that are entrenched in the region.

The makeup of tech companies employees doesn't remotely tell the full story of the advantages of the UC system, Stanford, and other universities in CA through research that feed into SV as the leading tech hub that cannot be replicated (See example of the invention of the internet above). I mean hell, 4 UC alum won nobel prizes this year alone, one of which was the chief scientist at Google's quantum AI.

But yeah sure, if we're talking in the context of "anything is possible" then yeah I concede, it can happen anywhere. Kind of a boring insight. The point is that no - it hasn't happened anywhere else to the extent of the bay area despite cities trying to for the past 30 years- and it won't happen for a very long time because of the converging mechanisms that took place over the past 100 years.

Okay so what you're doing is contradicting the objective advantages/benefits of living near the epicenter of a specific industry with a purely anecdotal example of 10+ years experience in jobs from said epicenter, with the expendable income to travel (domestic/international) for in-person meetings, then defining networking to a disingenuously generalization because it reinforces your opinion.

What if I were to tell you that you can make meaningful relationships and connections w/o "brown nosing/servicing" and its easier to do so in the center of a specific industry?

Yeah lets talk about them tax rates at the time of these accomplished generational projects (comment is in support of them)

Imperialism? Please do divulge

This is so funny to imply that you (living in East Jesus, Texas) have a better or similar opportunity to me (living in SF) in making more relationships and connections to AI related companies, engineers, investors, customers, acquirers, scientists, etc.

Exactly. No one is arguing the historical & material reasons as to why Bay Area is the birthing place of many technological revolutions. The Bay Area is special because of said history/staying power - which has systemic downstream advantages that cannot be replicated. 60% of total VC funding is in the Bay Area alone. Being surrounded by Stanford, Berkeley, etc gives the region a constant flow of world class engineers. Theres just no other region like it and won't be for a very long time.

Yup the Tesla treatment. Can change HQ's all you want but the main engineering work, brains, and talent will be at a HQ in California no matter what. Sam will probably do this for brownie points with the current administration, it will be politicized news for a cycle, but after the dust settles the majority of non-admin people will still be working unchanged out of CA.

Yeah waiting to see historical examples of contemporary China being interested in global domination and regime change, especially in contrast to the US.

100%. I work in tech and frequent this sub daily but it is morally and politically neutered to a fault. It is the enlightened centrist utopia.

"Authoritarian left" We're cooked

Pointlessly pedantic. Everyone knows EU is not a country. Also, ASML and Mistral are from two different countries.

That aside, since the Draghi report last year (which was primarily about the innovation gap between the EU/US specifically in tech) and the overall lackluster economic projections, EU officials have been very vocal about losing out to the US (and this time China) in yet another race in a fledgling innovation.

There is without a doubt some level of influence & assurances from the EU behind this deal.

Important to note he didn't mention success once despite you doing so twice. Rather he said children are a detriment if you have "strong intellectual interests". He also didn't make a value statement of being happiness/unhappiness or talk about "pursuing some larger goal". He said it's a different - not worse -lifestyle that isn't the most conducive to said hobbies/interests. Which anyone with a child would immediately resonate and agree with.

All of the existing WYSIWYG site builders are walled garden garbage.

Brother like 90% of the freaks in these threads are heavily invested into the current LLM bubble so of course they have to hand wave anything negative.

How does an electric taxi improve productivity?

What? AI is horrific for the environment from the embedded energy from the production necessary for the hardware and the energy required to train & run the LLMs. They use an insane amount of water and the resulting emissions are that of small countries.

Not only that, your argument depends on the saved emissions/energy consumption from laying off someone. Which is first and foremost just dark - but also how do you know that the laid off SWE isn't 10x more energy intensive when they're at home? Driving a lot, flying a lot, has a Ford F350, 5 kids and now runs AC all day while they're home?

No, you made a point that your LLM chat would be worse than your browser/search history being leaked. Which is insane for a multitude of reasons given what you can/can't search on LLMs vs browsers. This then prompted incredulous responses, so to explain you used examples that described how a person who doesn't go outside communicates with an LLM.

Sure - but I don't interact with it as if its human so my demeanor or attitude is neutral because I'm talking to you know - a computer. Are you getting emotional with and reprimanding your chatbot?

I wish I could test drive your brain to experience a world where one believes that would stop them from stealing your data.

Might have to reemphasize his question again but - what questions are you asking your LLM? Why are you responding to it and/or "treating" it differently then how you would a calculator or search engine.

In the context of an AI revolution influenced requirement for UBI, the political mobilization & effort required to sort the financial situation of Europe is exceedingly more attainable than the effort & mobilizations required to (A) passing a UBI bill, (B) raising taxes (lol c'mon), and (C) distributing said resources into a social safety net in the US that is not means-tested to hell and equally distributed and fought at every corner by corporate America.

We're the only developed western country on planet that doesn't have healthcare as a human right and you think our governments will pass a universal basic income?

You're asking how Europe would pay for a large scale social program? I hope you don't live in the US my friend because if AI gets to a point where UBI is ever needed you better get comfortable sleeping outside.

They're nazis, chief

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Literally none of the above prove moral decline

This is stupid

I mean what did you expect from an article from the Murdoch owned rag of WSJ that is essentially Fox News with a little sheen on it.

"They're afraid of someone coming into their home or grabbing them on the street and things going south"

Luckily, this isn't a real thing that happens.

The guy in his comment responded that murder is a regular occurrence in SF. This is just a lie.