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We naively think that science leads technology, but for much of history, it was technology that led science/understanding. The telescope led astronomy and the microscope led germ biology.
The NYTimes endorsed Hilary 6 months ago...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/hillary-cli...
If we are going to censor "hate speech", then we would have to ban atheist speech for being hateful to the religious or pro-gay speech for being hateful to traditionalists. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Considering how much power social media organizations have, do you really want such companies to control speech?
Rather than shutdown free speech, I'd rather the NYTimes be shut down.
Lets be honest here. It's newsworthy because a jew is affected. The writer is jewish and he mentions other jewish workers of the media industry. The jewish domination of media isn't a secret. They are used to controlling and forming propaganda/opinion/etc using the bully pulpit of established media organizations. But social media is less controllable and they are lashing out.
> Also, I don't understand how Bernie supporters are misogynists for criticizing Hillary.
Because the NYTimes and the media elite are pro-hilary. They have been spreading propaganda against sanders forever now. I stopped reading the NYTimes and listening to NPR months ago because of their constant and relentless propaganda.
It's a shame that these writers are slowly gaining traction on the internet with their appeal for more censorship and more control. It's funny how a writer for the NYTimes would stealthily advocate for more censorship and control.
H1B is a significant problem, but so is offshoring. From a business point of view, the cost savings are too immense to ignore. If you can pay a foreigner $5K to do something an american workers does for $50K and pocket the $45K annual difference, it's a no-brainer to corporate executives. The shareholders will benefits and the C-Suite will benefit, the workers will suffer.
There is a reason why the leftist and rightist establishment are working so hard to get hilary elected. The amount of pro-Hilary propaganda on NPR, NYTimes, LATimes, etc was nearly unbearable while she was fighting against Sanders. Now that Sanders is done, I might have to stop consuming these media for the next few months.
As much as we like to pretend, there isn't two parties. There is one party ( the elite ), that control both parties to gives an illusion of choice. Even the republican establishment are trying to undermine Trump to give Hilary the presidency.
Complete protectionism/isolation isn't a good thing. But extreme liberal trade policies aren't a good thing either. Thought maybe Trump will get the nod and push policies towards the center, but there is too much money at stake for the elite so they are going to force hilary, TTIP, TPP, etc on us no matter what.
We are going to replace one corrupt chicago politician with another.
So while we are debating whether to watch ghostbusters or independence day ( and whether our choices make us sexist or not), they'll be busy with this silly movie/non-story.
It's amazing how the media took a non-story and made it into a story and now they are going to make a movie out of a non-story they turned into a story.
This is akin to a firefighter arsonist setting fires all over town so that he can have more work or a greedy doctor intentionally giving his patients poison so that he'll be able to drum up more business.
It's circular and incestuous and wrong on so many levels. Like a snake swallowing its own tail.
Lots? And you name one book that was marginalized more than 20 years ago.
> Lots of people are at least somewhat willing to be persuaded by arguments.
No they are not. Especially on matters like "history/propaganda/etc" that are INTERPRETATION rather than factual.
> I am wondering why you are so sure that it is impossible for human beings to look at history objectively.
Because it is propaganda. Because there is no "objectivity" in history/interpretation/etc.
Try this. Was the civil war about freeing the slaves or states' rights? Was the vietnam war about stopping communism ( vietnam war ) or neo-colonialism ( war of american aggression )? Was the holocaust about the jews? If so, why were most people killed in the holocaust non-jews/gentiles? If most of the people who died were non-jews, why has modern history/culture associated it with jews?
You think you know the answer and you think you are objective/right/etc because your answers fit your agenda/worldview/propaganda. History has always been about propaganda ( emperors/kings/etc would hire writers to write "histories" extolling their virtue and the virtue of their families/etc ). Now, rather than being propaganda for the king/monarchs/etc, history is the official propaganda of the state/nation.
Now, I'm not saying history/propaganda is unnecessary. I think it is needed to maintain the state/nation/society. But lets not kid ourselves into thinking history is the truth. It is not. Not here, not in China, not in Russia, not anywhere.
> One is that you just have a cynical personality.
Or I'm educated and intelligent and understand what history actually is. You are making the same ad hominem attacks religious or cult members make when they are confronted with someone who doesn't "believe". You can lash out at me and call me cynical, but the real cynic is you.
Anyways, I can see that there is no reasoning with you ( not that I'm surprised ) so this will be my last reply to you as you've resorted to ad hominems. I won't read your replies if you write them so please don't bother. Good day.
Businesses are now trying to give you things for free in exchange for rights to your data. That's the entire social media business model. It is so lucrative at the moment that even microsoft is now employing the social model for their consumer OS ( starting with windows 10 ). You get a "free" OS, but that OS is going to track what you do and sell your data.
Of course this model is much easier for software than hardware because of the low cost of distributing software and an easier way to achieve scale. If hardware decides to try this model, it will be interesting and funny to see what the implications would be. Tesla could offer to lease you a "free" car but they get to monitor you, collect your data and sell your data. Hell, what happens when housing developers try the "social media" model. You get to lease a "free" house but the developer gets to record/monitor everything you and sell your data.
Reminds me of that procedure where a surgeon can freeze you, drain your blood, take out all your organs and then put them back in, stitch you up, pump blood back in and then warm you up and awaken you. It was like unplugging your PC, taking it apart and then putting it together and turning it back on.
I was fairly explicit and straightforward.
> There are countless books and articles published in this country, in and out of academia, describing and condemning oppression of blacks, women, and gays.
Now. Try to publish anything that portrays blacks, women and gays negatively.
> On the last group, this has helped lead to a revolution in recent years in gay rights.
You mean the relentless hollywood/academic propaganda campaign helped in the revolution? Yes I know.
> And the reason this is possible is because the US, while it has many faults, is still a democracy with freedom of speech, unlike many authoritarian regimes such as China.
We have "freedom of speech" when the elite support the agenda. The elite supported gay marriage/etc. Hence why the media, academia, etc pushed for it while the population resisted. As I said, you couldn't publish anything that negatively portray gays.
> Speaking of which, are you saying we should not be angry at China for re-writing history because it is impossible for any country to be any better?
No. I'm saying everyone re-writes history. Everyone makes it up. Everyone interprets it for their own political agenda. That's all I'm saying. For example, we view george washington as a great founder of the nation. Others view him as a genocidal maniac who went around exterminating natives and skinning them and making leggings out of them. Every nation has propaganda/history. That's what it is created for. History is fiction that unites us all. It is created by the people in power for a purpose.
> And ditto for other regimes such as Putin's Russia?
They have their own history/propaganda as well.
> But you are simply wrong, some countries are vastly better.
"Vastly"? No. Superficially, maybe. Some "history/propaganda" are more sophisticated and clever. Other's, like north korea's history, are silly and immature. Either way, it's all propaganda.
Be angry at china if you want. All I'm saying is that everyone pushes history/propaganda. The fact that you think your "history/propanda" is better just shows that you support that "history/propaganda". Has nothing to do with whether that history is accurate/truthful/etc.
You think your history is better because of your bias, self-interest, agenda, etc. You think your history is better because you grew up with it.
Unless you are coinbase or an organization that deals with money/bitcoins/etc and you need ACID compliant transactions so that "debits/credits" don't just magically disappear.
When the bitcoin craze was going crazy, coinbase had all kinds of problems due to their mongodb backend.
You are giving the NoSQL crowd too much credit. Some abominations have no recognizable schema at all. The data store will just contain arbitrary dump of data which different developers decided their "schema" should be. The number of "columns" will vary, the "columns" will have arbitrary formats, so on and so forth.
If one developer decided to separate name into "first: John", "last: Doe", you will have that. If another decided to have "name: John Doe". That's what will be there. If one developer decided social security should be "SSN: 123-45-6789" and another decided it should "SSN: 123456780", well you are going to have fun cleaning up the data at the business or even application layer.
But that's not even the big issue with MongoDB. It's their lack of ACID compliance!
I think we have to stop patting ourselves on the back. Yes, we claim to allow it, but it's a bit more complicated than that. We aren't as open to questioning or "heresy" as you'd like to think. If you've ever worked in academia, you would know this.
> and we have an ethic in academia to study them objectively and try to figure out which is correct.
This is absolutely not true, especially in history and sensitive matters like race, sex, religion, etc.
> So for instance, we can be quite sure that the Nazi idea that the Jews needed to be killed off because they were all evil demons was simply wrong.
Not if the germans had WON THE WAR. That's the point. Look at how differently "history/propaganda" works when it relates to US:natives and Germany:Jews.
Our history cast the natives as savage demons that needed to be wiped out for the advance of civilization and the creation of the US. We make allowances for the genocide of the natives by excusing it with "disease killed many of them" or that it allowed for the creation of the US. But for jews, we do not make such allowances.
If you think we are open to different perspectives, try to get a book published that questions many of the claims of the holocaust. If jared diamond had written about the holocaust ( excusing the deaths of the jews due to the disease and starvation as a result of germany's poor performance in the eastern front ), do you really think the NYTimes/media and academia would have supported it?
All history is propaganda. If the germans had won ww2, the holocaust would have been viewed differently. Hell the word "holocaust" wouldn't even exist. Holocaust was a term israeli jews invented in 1953 to "brand" the genocide. We don't have a branding for the native "holocaust". Or the armenian "holocaust". Or the rwandan "holocaust".
Pick anything in history. Look at the "history" of the israeli/palestine issue. Look at the history of russia/ukraine. Look at the history of US civil war. Different sides have different histories/propaganda. There is no truth, just subjective and selfish propaganda.
Or if you feel more generous, you can say that there are many truths and each side picks their own truths. But regardless, it's propaganda.
I find it laughable how people are so resistent to the simple truth that history is propaganda. But then I realize that it's because they are victims of propaganda.
Agreed. But as long as you understand that history is ultimately propaganda. There isn't an objective truth buttressing it. Just arbitrary biased interpretation.
> The point of history is not agreed upon lies.
It's an agreed upon "interpretation" by a small group of people who get a larger group of people to accept it. Different nations have different histories of the same event. The vietnamese history of the vietnam war is markedly different than the US history of the vietnam war. Same event, different "interpretation/propaganda".
> That's an unethical concession.
It's an honest observation. National histories are biased propaganda. To believe otherwise is to delude oneself. Perhaps some take the propaganda/history to extreme degrees, but nevertheless, all history is propaganda.
> The point of history is to tell what happened.
No. That would be just a list of events. History is INTERPRETATION. Saying that the Civil War began in 1861 is just a fact. Interpreting that as a war over slavery or a war to save the union or the war for state rights or whatever is HISTORY/PROPAGANDA.
> Propagandized history is immoral.
Then all history should be banned and replaced with a list of events.
Think of it this way, history of the US from a white man's perspective is far different than history of the US from a native american's perspective. History of the holocaust would be much different had the germans won ww2 than what it is today. Same event, different history/interpretation.
It's quite amazing that I'm getting downvoted for stating that history is biased and all history is propaganda. But then again, most people are brainwashed. Ultimately, we may laugh at the north koreans or the chinese or the russians or whomever, but we are really deep down, no different.
We do it in the US. And so do the brits, europeans, etc.
After "historians" were paid to write histories extolling someone and denigrate someone else.
From columbus to everything before and after, "history" depended on who was in charge and who paid to do the writing. History is propaganda.
> In some sense it is just what we choose to remember
No. It's like the thousand swords of aegon. It's a lie we agree to tell each other over and over again until we forget it is a lie.
History is propaganda. It is interpretration. There is no truth to it. Just perspective.
It's a great deal if you can get it. The only time this will get problematic is if housing prices drop and continue to drop.