Glemmlko

Your brain is still developing as a teen, it doesn't help you much when you have to learn too early to control it if you don't have help.

And help should be parents not giving you the ipad and telling you why instead of looking at your teen how it fries its brain

Funny, two companies i think really suck exchange their CEO.

MongoDB a product which had hard issues with keeping data, never solved a real problem.

And then Meta...

Garbage in garbage out?

Because hn has some kind of a community and not every comment is gold (see yours for example) and people are able to skip comments if they don't enjoy them?

Honestly, I think this 'billion' number is also just the ball park for companies you need to pay if you want to buy them.

OpenRouter was sold for 7.5 Billion.

Lets just accept, that these people don't evaluate a company by value but by magic market "what is a sum someone needs to pay for buying a company and what company is somehow worth it to actually buy for this type of money but more in a sense of adding this to your portfolio"

You are adults, you can control what your kid gets and what not.

No kid needs an iPad.

Man are you kidding me?

They haven't had these kids from the beginning. This statement doesn't refute any environmental issues.

Nonetheless we know that humans are neural networks. These are formed. There is something inbetween the initial setup and your human in prison which lead to this or something missing which lead to this.

We can't even properly fix depression and co.

They will build the task in question in a virtual environment (computer whiz shit) and simulate in there how to solve that task.

They then either tell someone to execute it in real world or will upload this to a robot.

Nvidia has already the Omniverse for this and others are working on World Models.

In what country do you live that a personal tutora two days a week is financial compareable ?!

I really don't think you grasp the scale of how much money it costs us to teach people to do things like programming.

A student costs roughly 20.000 Euros per year (university salaries, heating, maintenance of the buildings)

The student themselves has to pay at least 12.000 Euros per year (food, rent, public transport).

5 years of univeristy costs a minimum of 150.000 Euros.

Alone in germany we have 40.000 finishgin their degree per year which is 6 billion Euros EVERY YEAR.

Training one Frontiermodel costs 60x less than just the german university people studying it. ONCE.

This is the reason why the godfather of AI quit is job to talk about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UccvsYEp9yc

Its the scale which makes this crazy.

We reached peak human personal teaching.

You are on hacker news. You have a computer and internet, potentially something to do with computers.

You are fully capable of doing proper research yourself especially when you are that interested in this.

You assume that a random doctor on HN can answer you a Pfizer specific 'secret' thing you can't find out yourself?

Come on...

You are ignorant and disrespectful and i'm higly disappointed from human to human.

"friendly enough to address these issues".

He is not part of some research group who is researching this type of topic. You assume he is a bad faith actor with your "probably not".

Either accept the status quo / research on this topic, or do the research yourself but don't take some potential conspiricy shit to hn by cheap shooting someone else with your 'probably not'.

And if you really struggle with this type of things, get help.

There is a significant qualitative difference, very obvouse one too.

The complexity of tasks GPT-6 can do are not compareable to GPT-4. We see this daily. From CVEs which became a real problem after GPT-4, generic tool use (blender, paint, etc.), agentic work (GPT-4 was at a minute or so, GPT-6 can do hours).

They broke through significant barriers in a short period of time. I would def count the agentic quality of doing hours of work as one of the main proofs.

You are dismissive instead of explaining yourself.

We now have a system which can use tools and you still say this is just 'computer whiz shit'?

A computer is a tool, a very generic one which we adopted to control our most critical systems.

Enlighten me, when do you become impressed?

Easily?

Do you think the global education system is easy? Or efficient? Or cheap?

Its not.

And the higher education systems around our globe ar neither.

It can use blender and build you a 3d model of a 2d picture.

It can play a digital piano, it can make the piano first and then play it.

It can build 3d simulation based on research paper.

It already surpasses plenty of 'big brains' on our whole planet.

It can scale, humans can't.

One human needs to teach one AI system how to do one specific task. Everyone can now use this. Before you had to teach every single human having to do this task and the next generation.

Wikipedia has a good definition for it:

"Artificial general intelligence (AGI) is a hypothetical type of artificial intelligence that matches or surpasses human capabilities across virtually all cognitive tasks.[1] Unlike artificial narrow intelligence (ANI), whose competence is confined to well‑defined tasks, an AGI system can generalise knowledge, transfer skills between domains, and solve novel problems without task‑specific reprogramming."

I would argue that its not that relevant anymore what specific AGI definition you follow. The impact is already significant and real, progress hasn't stoped and the current chatbots can do arbitrary things without task-specific reprogramming.

Depending on the context size and your problem, i can also teach an chatbot new things adhoc without reprogramming.

For me, AGI is here.

ASI is not here, but AGI is.

A few years back if you asked me to build a system and just name the price, my question would be: What should it be able to answer? Whatever i want. I wouldn't have an idea how to build a system like this.

Today we do.

Would you add any context to your comment to even have an argument we can discuss?

Divide the compute of your argument (pre-training, training, post-training) through everything this model now can do and it will not look that bad at all.

No they don't. They have a range of free will. And free will alone doesn't help you if you are unable to understand what you actually want.

Short term goals vs. long term goals requires long horizion thinking. Critical thinking is necessary to break through cultural heritage. I grew up a christian, took me until 14 to denounce this garbage.

And you mean that?

We have indigeous people and historic effidence, that kids with mental health issues were kept hidden from the rest of a village, sometimes in cages and on chains.

We know very well that the education system around the planet cateres to the masses not to the ones with disabilityes, ADHD etc.

Human beings are complex, any education system is not and its not reflecting the diversity of humans.

In japan for example, kids have to cleanup there own class rooms, wonderful concept, any other real country which adopted that?

Society or our villages before a planet full of 8 billion people were responsible.

Everyone of us was born to a mother and father. And yo utell me if someone isn't born 'right' we should do what? Kill them? I think Hitler tried that. Not really sure were you are going with this.

Do you really believe our society is really trying to help people? We are sitting in front of our television, watch reality tv and do other shit. We have more than enough capacity to help others. We just don't. This doesn't make it fair in any sense for every human being we brought into existens.

I don't get your point with the toddler.

You assume, you don't know what I do besides writing a comment like this.

Stop trying to assume things, if you don't want to take part in this discussion, don't.

But stop playing a game of fallacy

Trump doesn't have honor and is right now the most powerful person on the planet due to his access to the United States of Americas Military.

Society is not that easy and just because your father said something, doesn't make it true.

Honor is a concept and for sure a great character trait but if you don't get teached a concept like honor, you don't follow it.

I'm not against the idea of the society taking control over the life of one of its own (lets be fair, our planet is small, we are too interconnected) we can't just put people somewere else.

But cruelty shouldn't be part of this. Help and rehabiliation

And?

My comment is independent form the others.

Yeah feel free to continue thinking that simple and be ignorant.

Its easier eh?

But lets be clear, you will be on the reciving side or have been already anyway.

Or if never, you speak from a point of privilige...

Its a brain, a brain which gets teached how to act and behave.

Some learn how to think critical, some don't. Some are intelligent, some are empathic, some don't understand the world very well.

Don't simplify this by a snarky and ignorant comment.

I'm not even against moving people out of our society, its fucked up enough that this is necessayr, but i'm against cruelty and i'm for helping.

You say this until it hits you.

But hey, you don't seem to be very empathic about your luck in life.

You could have been just the person in prison.

Btw. some religions believe in rebirth, you might become a prisoner.

Some believe in an infinite rebirth of universities, which will lead you to be in a prision in another reallity.

Even on a logically viewpoint it would be better for your 'other lives' to not be cruel to other human beings.

Ah yes the what-aboutism statistics?

So why is europe doing it different and overall better/cheaper? Because europe actually tries to help people