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Partially! We got the idea of brain and text from the system but added the pencil icon manually.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. Your point about icons expiring is well taken and that is one reason we want to create a system that generates icons from scratch. We'll also add more monogram variations.

Apologies. Could you please try again. I just checked and it's working fine here.

Happy to know that you liked your logo. Let us know if there is anything we could do to improve the product.

Your skepticism is partially correct and we've been pretty open about what we have and how we're applying ML. Lets take the example of getting all icons from a single category. If you choose the category food and your description contains "apple & bananas", it's not trivial to get an icon with an apple and banana unless you are using some sort of ML. Moreover, which fonts to put together is also not trivial. If we just start putting random stuff together, you'll be able to differentiate it pretty easily.

Now to your last point, we are working on something like that. We are training a deep learning architecture that creates logos from scratch, the stuff you are talking about. But we wanted to ship a simple yet decent product before we started working on more sophisticated stuff. In a couple of months, users will have option to select icons that are entirely generated by an AI engine.

I hope that clears some things. AI is being used in many places but there are also atleast 2-3 features that we're working on right now which will really exhibit the effectiveness of AI here.

Let me know if you wanna chat more about this. Happy to talk!

Several reasons.

- What colors to choose for the user if he/she doesn't know the colors? - What icon to choose based on the text given? - What fonts to use together? - What font types to use (bold, italic etc) - Can we generate icons from scratch? - As we get user feedback, can we improve the logos?

And so many more areas where we can apply ML. Happy to talk at length about this if you want.

You're absolutely right. We didn't want to get too fancy right away. We wanted a simple yet decent product in the start and with the feedback we were gonna get, we would improve the product. We're definitely going to add fancy stuff but gradually. People usually don't even get a decent logo and yet they have to pay a good amount for it.

Just from this post, over 500 logos have been liked/disliked by users which gives us a good amount of data to retrain our models for improvement and more fancy content.

Got it, we'll fix this. The likes and dislikes are really important for our ML models. Thanks for the suggestion.

We'll have it soon! Thanks for the best wishes, really appreciate it.

Nice website you've got there.

So that's two people. We're gonna replace those logos in a couple of days. Thanks.

That seems fair. We are definitely going to add an iteration process that you can go through to end up with something you like. Thanks again for the feedback. It's super helpful in improving the product.

One additional thing I'd like to add here. Those icons are not free and we have to pay a subscription fee to download them and use in our product.

Oh definitely. Here are some of the areas where ML comes in.

- The colors you see are generated by ML models, not us. If you don't like them, just hit the dislike button and our ML models will soon stop creating them.

- Icon selection based on the description is not an easy problem. You have to understand the semantics of what you're trying to say and match those with an icon's appearance. We're using word embeddings and auto encoders here.

- Initially, a genetic algorithm generates a bunch of stuff but that gets pruned by ML systems. As we get more feedback, that ranking/pruning is going to be more effective.

- Which fonts to combine together is not trivial. Convolutional neural networks come to the rescue here.

- Finally, one of the additional features we are working on is going to generate icons from scratch using GANs.

I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you wanna talk more about how we go about doing everything. Always happy to chat.

Right now, yes. But the main reason behind having a generic product is our long term vision. We wanted to get our initial product out and immediately start working on other features. One feature that will answer your concern here is icon generation from scratch using GAN architectures. We're working on it and it'll take some time but as soon as it's live, not only will you be able to use existing stock clipart, you'll be able to generate logo concepts from scratch.

This is by no means the final product that we want to have in a year or two. There was a reason we named the website "designwithai". We kept it generic because there are so many features that we're gonna add that are purely AI driven.

We can always talk more about the other features we're thinking about.

This is awesome feedback. Thanks.

A couple of points. You are right when you say it's a long process but I believe you'll agree that it's not long for everybody. There are so many new companies that just want a decent and affordable logo as quickly as they can. Those are the people we are targeting now.

Regarding your comment about the logo concept - we are working on some deep learning architectures that generates the icon (concept) from scratch. That feature will take some time because of computational reasons but once that's in place, even startup founders who want to go a few rounds to get their logo concept would be able to use our website.

Let me know if you want to talk more about how we're gonna do it. Thanks again for your feedback, it's awesome!

Not just Namecheap, there are so many other options. We're not trying to replace designers or these free websites. We're providing an alternative that we believe is better because of several reasons.

- Our system figures out your needs by just looking at the description you provide. You don't have to select anything else to create very relevant logos to your brand. This is not the case with other websites where you have to provide plenty of information or at least do significant customizations. - Not one of these websites are generating icons from scratch. We will in a couple of weeks/months. This is going to be a very exciting feature that will set us apart. Let me know if you want to talk about this in more detail. - Our system learns as more people create logos. We have a feedback loop that continuous retrains the models to improve the logo creation process. In a few months, our logos will definitely be way better than free websites and other competitors.

Finally, at the end of the day, we still offer an alternative that we think has better features. If someone chooses to use a free website, by all means.

As stated in one of the other comments - different people like different logos. The initial idea was given to us by the website but the pencil in the middle is something I added. Maybe I should've spent more time on our own logo :p I'll work on it!

You're spot on with your suggestion. This is a feature that we are very excited to be working on right now. We are working on different embeddings that lets you choose stuff based on your preferences. We wanted to first iteration of the product to be an end-to-end pipeline that creates decent logos. I believe we've achieved that and we're now working towards adding some cool features in the next few months.

One feedback we got from another user was to reduce the number of logos we show. Asking people to select one from 50 logos seemed like a good idea but people struggle to select one from 50 from what I've observed. We'll still let everyone see 50 logos for a while until our ML models are so good that the top 5 logos we make are the ones you're gonna like.

Thank you so much. You bet! I spent 120 straight days while finishing up the development of the website and it was just too exciting for me to stop. There is still tons of stuff we are working on right now e.g using GANs to create icons from scratch, using Conv Nets to color the icons etc. Very excited for the future!

That seems like a nice logo :D

This is a dilemma we've been facing for quite some time now. Different people like different kinds of logos. The logos you see on our home page seemed good to a few people we talked with and the logos I am posting on twitter are all chosen by me. I might just go ahead and replace them with the twitter logos. Thanks for this feedback. No one has previously told me that they didn't like the logos on the homepage. I'm definitely going to consider changing them.

That's a very real concern for us. We are taking a few measures for this and are continuing to look into this.

- As soon as a logo is purchased with a unique icon, we delete that icon from our data. - We manually go through our icon repositories and try to find icons that have already been used in logos and delete them.

We'll continue doing this until we are left with stuff that has not been used anywhere else in a logo.

Ha most people are. Unfortunately, it's not a GAN that does everything. We wanted a system that works and creates high quality logos and GANs are still reaching there. On a high level, there are multiple ML models that are responsible for different tasks such as color combination generation, icon selection, font pairing etc. All these collectively form the entire product. Let me know if you want to chat more about this.

Thanks a lot for providing feedback. I am guessing by your comments that you made a logo on mobile. If that's the case, we have been trying to fix this issue ASAP hence the message "click modify to see high quality version". These problems arise because of resizing on canvas and we have already fixed a lot of them. We'll hopefully fix all the quality issues in a couple of weeks but since the logos are not way too blurry, we are doing it as we go. Moreover, people usually buy the logos on desktop and the quality is pretty good on desktop from what I've observed on different screens. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks again for your feedback. If you happen to visit the website in a couple of days, you'll hopefully see much better logos in terms of clarity.

I don't disagree with you. The product is new and we've put a lot of effort in trying to create good logos but we're by no means perfect. The idea is to let users use it for a couple of months. If they like their logos, they buy them. If they don't, that is feedback for us and we can use that to significantly improve our models. And I believe that the logos might not be perfect but some of them are usually pretty good. You can have a look at our twitter page to see some good examples: https://twitter.com/DesignwithAiHQ

It seems like you're one of those people that didn't like our use of "machine learning" to create logos. Happy to chat about why ML is needed and why other solutions don't work.

What other business models would you recommend? We are still pretty new and are open to suggestions. Moreover, we are still a very small team and it's easy for us to change our business model. SaaS seemed to be the best, so we went with it.

I apologize if you didn't like the logos. We have a feedback loop in place that takes care of this. Since we just launched a week ago, there are some logos that users don't usually like. Could you please tell me your company name so that I can have a look at your logos and improve the product? This is by no means perfect right now but it'll get better with time. We already have 118 logos that users have ranked using the "like" and "dislike" buttons. We'll soon be using all this data to create better logos.

Founder here. Happy to answer any questions you might have. This has been going on for over a year and there were plenty of opportunities to apply machine learning to logo design e.g font and icon selection, color combinations, component alignments, icon generation etc. Please note that we are not trying to replace logo designers at all. We just want new brands to have an opportunity to get a quick and decent logo in a reasonable price. Happy to chat more about the product here.