Demiurge

Why do you think I am confused? Is this a form of internet condenscension, or are you able to diagnose my mental state based a single comment? No, I don't think I'm confused.

There are satellites in geostationary orbit that have realtime live feed and agile pointing capability. However, besides the SAR, RGB style observations are limited by clouds, and also you can’t switch out the sensors on a whim. Airborne platforms are always more flexible and cheaper for certain missions.

You’re thinking long horizon tasks. I agree that Sol is great at it. I don’t think it’s smarter in quick win tasks that are still difficult.

This is where intelligence is not one of a kind, these systems have different pros and cons.

I use Sol as an architect and fable as a brilliant single task solver.

Entropy.

Yes, this applies to every company. The institutions have evolved a lot, and how we look at social safety and fairness have both evolved and devolved at the same time.

Companies, individuals, and governments have different roles. Rationality from their perspective is specific to their perspective, and I don’t believe just because evolution or physics are rational we should die off from a new virus or asteroid impact. That would be perfectly rational, but I don’t care about the global rationality of the universe.

What is best for my family and other families is not what is best for Sam Altman or Sataya, or Elon Mask.

We’re just talking about market players. What I’m saying is that these market forces need an outlet via some new infrastructure and regulation. Maybe it’s not micro-payments, maybe it’s some other new ideas.

I just don’t want the next century to be the century of East India AI sticking me in a Matrix pod, rationally.

I don’t see how this is different from having Stripe easily available to any web developer. I want this feature, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to add it to every website I build. I think of it as Stripe pay wall at infrastructure level rather than a JavaScript popup. If we look at NYT, WP, many already do this. But HuffPost and Reddit rely on different models.

I don’t think this will make the internet less open, I think the internet is already pretty much less open. Who blogs these days for free? They rely on medium or substack, and have no choice, they submit to these platforms rules about the articles they write, even though they’re pretty generous.

Now, if the reward system was as open as say, Bitcoin, I think there would be a lot more independent and different bloggers and journalists, and independent platforms.

I didn’t mean to say it never happened. It’s just that when it happened it was a memory stick, MB, or other non Windows specific issue

Perhaps I’m contrasting it to my Windows ME experience…

But, I have seen BSOD multiple times, it’s just that I could trace the problem pretty easily, to something like IRQ interrupts and faulty hardware, MB needs to be replaced, bad driver needs to be downgraded, things like that. And it used to happen a lot more often.

Overall, I just think XP and NT kernels kind of solved this, in large part, by improving the system logging, sys internal tools, adding system restore, etc

On my MacBooks, however, whenever I get the beach ball, I rarely have any idea what to do, and have reinstalled or changed random hardware multiple times.

So yeah, I’ve had my share of problems with all systems, and worked in different environments, but personally I have rarely seen BSOD compared to all the other issues.

I have tried cookie based sessions and I have tried multiple things. I have been battling DDOS and script kiddies longer than CF has been a thing. You’re wrong in that you think I could continue to maintain the site without CF in front of it, I would just shut it down. It’s not a profitable forum, it’s just a hobby.

I think that to prove I am not a crawler I probably just need to supply a Safari user agent string. The crawlers on my sites actually self identify for the most part. The malicious ones are banned when they try to post spam.

Anyway, what’s wrong with making 2 cents? :)

Windows crashing all the time? I haven’t experienced crashes since WinXP… Or when trying beta drivers and overclocking. As a day to day windows and OSX user, I’ve had more stability issues with OSX than Windows.

Because I also use AI, and I actually want the content from the site to show up for me, as well as other AI users.

More over, I actually pay for three different AI subscriptions, and use them a lot. I also think it’s fair that I pay for their services. I just want them to also pay for what they use.

What would you suggest as an alternative? Block the bots yourself ?

That’s definitely pretty annoying, it’s almost like the walled gardens scenario. I wish this could be more democratized.

I’m not a participant in this race.

Are the AI companies worried about anything but their valuations?

I don’t care about their valuations, but I do care about the risks that they are creating for the economy, society, and the technological advancement, at large.

Micro transactions [in this case] are a great idea, these crawlers need to be taxed and made to pay for the unaccounted external costs. Furthermore, we need to fund any risk mitigations, security coordination, and other safety work. If these things are not imposed on the market, the most ruthless player will create the biggest mess they can get away with.

I don’t see a better way to do this, right now, than to allow Strips, or CF, to create some way to charge the crawlers. Imagine I have some really expensive content, I can put it behind the paywall, or subscription model, but that’s very specific to the human consumer. What if I do want to search engine or content aggregator to consume some of the content? It would be quite hard for me to sign an exclusive agreement with OpenAI, like what Reddit or NYT are doing. It might be quite beneficial to create some infrastructure to let bots automatically to pay for access. It might even be crypto based, I don’t think it really matters. It just has to be easy for me to integrate it, and the bots need to find it easy to use.

If we all start doing this, I think this could be of benefit to all content creators, such as musicians, movie makers, game developers, and even independent journalists.

We used to pay for software and things, but what has happened? Walled gardens and production monopolies are taking over. This has largely reduced the quality of all the content we consume.

Yes, my bad! Typing on the terrible iPhone keyboard :)

I maintain a formerly popular gaming website, and it used to have hundreds of legitimate requests per second. The load would be especially high during popular event times. So, it’s always been running on a dedicated server.

It also has an “online users” counter, which attempted to count real user sessions of unauthenticated user which still maintained a session, which lets them comment, or modify certain filter and display options. It never counted the Google bot.

Over the last few years this counter went from 100-200 users online to thousands. I have been very hands-off with it for many years, doing minor upgrades and backups. However, the site also has gotten quite slow, these sessions were obviously impacting it. So, I finally investigated these crawlers, and yes, it turns out it’s an insane amount of traffic that is entirely artificial, the site has just a handful of real users, and thousands of these crawling sessions that actually try to do everything they can, click every button. It doesn’t help that sort and search were implemented using GET links.

I fixed the counter to exclude the crawlers, but I have a bit of a dilemma. I don’t want to stop the bots from updating their knowledge based on all the content.

The best solution I could find is the new CloudFlare feature where they might charge the crawlers for every request, or otherwise block them. I think that’s a fantastic idea for the internet, at large. I signed up for the beta access, but haven’t heard from them again. I do think it’s unfortunate that this requires CloudFlare and the middleman.

Overall, it seems like the LLM are really straining the internet economy, the openness of it. Email spam used to be the worst, but the organized trillionaire labs sucking up the entire internet is going to break something if we don’t preempt them better.

It’s too bad the copyright and public internet systems are not acting quick enough. And I think there is no reason to act like this race really has to be at such a breakneck speed.

That sounds like an interesting challenge. Have you seriously considered solving it? Because in about 10 seconds I came up with a process that should work, provided enough compute power. Simply model the traditional film making process by starting with a script, character stories. Design your world, then design the storyboard, and all the scenes. Create a list of all the visual elements that need to be replicated between all the scenes. Then you have to built prompts and reference art of the objects, faces, people. Make sure to do multiple takes of each scene, and have the vLLM critique and analyze the performances and technicalities. Should work?

I think, also, like in the traditional film makers career, this process should be built iteratively, start with a fast food commercial, then do a music video, then you can probably do a short film. Continue to improve the process, and one day I’m sure the LLM film studio can make you any movie you want, provided you have enough tokens.

Works fine for me too. I use this for GEMINI.md as well.

> What people say about the US government being ahead of the commercially available technology curve is certainly true.

Is that what they say?

This sounds right. An individual person can’t change a complex system that gives him everything they have, from plastic forks to gas cars. The society can get together and agree on things, but the society clearly just isn’t concerned enough. There is no solution or workaround to this, unless certain scientific discoveries get made that change the warming trends by sheer coincidence. They would have to coincide with popular demand, like more attractive electric cars, and new materials, or fusion energy that’s cheap. Or, perhaps, AGI decide it for us.

The bigger factor is probably the global pandemic, economic degradation, looming nuclear winter, genocide, WW3, aliens, and singularity. Not to mention orange clowns. We have surpassed the Britney Spears controversy era. Unless the polar bears are going to invade DC and attack ICE, we might not hear much about the climate change until these other problems go away.

Yeah, I agree, I didn’t mean to impose on this conversation between a man and a benchmark, my bad :p

What you’re saying is that you’re not interested in benchmarks. But then you go a step further and state that this particular benchmark is entirely inconsequential. That’s like telling you that if you didn’t exist, nothing would change. Even if that were true, it would still be an insensitive and rude thing to say, wouldn’t it?

Could you share any examples that come close to those limits? I haven’t seen any that don’t have obvious flaws in proportions, layering, composition, color palette, visual clutter, or stylistic consistency.

Also, one of the advantages of the pelican test is that you can evaluate it all at once. There’s no reason the two-dimensional depiction can’t be made more challenging. Yes, at some point the pelicans might approach the subjectivity of a fine art painting, but we haven’t even seen a depiction that’s competent by the standards of a high school art class. That’s not to say the elementary school–level SVGs aren’t amazing - rather, I agree with your point.

Why would you do this?

This is a sad state of affair. I'm faster with the LLM, but I sure as hell can do everything just like I could, as before the current state of things.

Are these different models or different efforts for thinking (internal back and forth review) using the same model?

I think what's implied here, in colloquial terms, is that it's in the second tier.