AshMokhberi

Thanks :)

Thanks I'm glad you like it. I will take you up on that and get you on email.

As you can tell we are adding an intelligence layer above notification providers. That will certainly help reduce the friction in on-boarding for co's like roost. Much like Segment.io did for analytics companies.

Having a closer integration with you guys would be a great benefit.

Thanks, glad you noticed :)

Hi All, I'm the founder of Latis. I would really appreciate any feedback/thoughts.

We designed it as a REST API so it can work across all platforms mobile, web and desktop.

The API is super easy so it's simple to integrate within most apps. As time goes on we will be adding client libraries for common platforms, languages and frameworks to make integration even easier.

The naming is certainly something I have issues with. I haven't really spent any time thinking about how else to express it but I don't think I will be short of ideas when I do.

In terms of what kind of talent it will attract I have no idea. For me personally I think with the type of issues we want to deal with, diversity is key. You need talent as much as you just need a different point of view.

It's great that you have been thinking about doing something at your university. What other things have you experienced so far ?

I completely agree, I think there are many ways you could do things on a longer term basis. I think the idea of the "startup weekend" style event has a couple of benefits in this context.

1. It's a good way to try it and see what happens and learn so you can learn what to improve in the format.

2. It helps gain momentum because you're only requesting a small amount of initial time investment from people.

3. One of the key points I wanted to stress was the ability to have organisations on hand to help fill in knowledge gaps about the realties of the situation data etc, and also be able be actively involved in the process. I think it's easier to get them involved in that capacity for one weekend. Then build on there involvement after they see the value etc.

I think you're dead on with on with your intuitions. I find QA a problem because on a traditional production line QA is a very defined process.

However in software what is QA the UI, interaction, API, backend code ?

More to the point do I really need QA ? As a Startup is QA not a part of our core design and iteration process as we try to achieve "product market fit" ?

That's interesting. It's very much what I assumed we use tabs to store the temporary stuff that we need right now or in the very short term. Bookmarks are not a solution engineered towards this very temporary way of working. However tabs are not the ideal solution either they are just a work around. I often find I want a convenient and temporary place to put this short lived content and it should disappear when I stop using it. What do you think ?

I think the opposite you're exactly the person worth paying attention to :)

I think most people like the idea of being "free" from hoarding. because it clutters the mind. I guess the thing with bookmarks is that they need to disappear after either an action or a certain amount of time has passed since they where last used/created.

I'm also wondering how this works visually. I often find if things are just messy then I hate it and feel like I'm cluttered. But if something is kept clean and structured then I'm happy for it to stay as long as it gets out of my way when I don't need it.

I'm wondering if bookmarks are the same. If I don't need you disappear. But when I want to get it back then I want to find it in a clean and organised way.

The problem is I don't want to invest anytime in the process of managing the clutter. I want to manage itself.

What do you think ?

That's exactly the direction we where going would you mind looking at our extension. You don't have to use it just maybe read and watch the demo vid. I would love to get your thoughts on it.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/latis/adkmonocjplf...

So do you think that's what's more important it's not that bookmarks are wrong it's that the UX is terrible ? Or is that reading stuff later is actually what you want to do most of the time with bookmarks ?

That's a very interesting use case and I can see how that would be valuable. I share a similar thought on bookmarks as in right now they are very permanent things when what I really want is like a temporary scrapboard that automatically disappears when I stop adding stuff to it. What do you think would that be useful ?

Thanks for your response, I agree sync is an awesome feature. Is there anything you would like to improve about the process of bookmarking ?

That's a very interesting perspective are you mainly using bookmarks for very important content? Do you ever just want somewhere to put stuff temporarily as you're browsing?

We are no way near the stage of implementing that yet, right now we are just trying to find out if people find it useful. In terms of the future we are looking to be able to provide you with hints of useful content on a per stack basis, based on other users who have created stacks similar to yours. Kind of like an extension of search powered by people. We don't envisage this being a social feature as in people will not be able to see your stacks and content we recommend will not display any information relating to the users who added it. We are purely recommending the content to help people.

But this is all theoretical, right now it's not something we are working on and we might end up going in a different direction. Either way we fully intend to inform our users of the changes we make as we make them.

Thanks that's awesome. Is what you where working on still live ? I would love to see how you tackled the problem. Please feel free to email me with any further feedback you have while using it. ash [ at ] getlatis . com

Wow awesome feedback thank you. We are going to start spit testing our landing page text soon so I will certainly put that description I'm there as one of the alternatives.

In terms of tracking we I understand your concerns. Here is a list of the things we track.

1. We keep a database of all the content you add to stacks. This is so you will one day be able to access it from any device.

2. The data we store about the content you add varies depending on the type of content. But typically we store plain text, HTML and associated URI's representations for everything you add. This is so we can render content in a visually constitent manner and make it easy for users to retrieve from visual memory.

3. We do not track any browsing data or any page interactions. We only store data of the things you add to Latis.

Hope this clears things up for you. We would love it if you could give it a try and let us now what you think.

Thanks for your feedback it's awesome that you tried it. Yes the swipe to open seemed like a nice feature, and I don't personally use swipe to navigate and wondered how many people did and would they find it annoying. In response to the dragging off. Everything is stored in Latis and we are going to enable dragging off stacks back on to page soon :) I would love to hear your thoughts after you have used it a bit more or anything about the landing page content ? Feel free to mail ash [ at ] getlatis.com if you want to give us more feedback in private or come across any issues in future.

Thanks, we where wondering whether the imagery and the tag line together worked. In a nutshell it's a chrome extension that adds a sidebar onto every page and let's you drag any useful content from web pages and organise them into visual stacks. Would love to hear if you have any thoughts on a better way to convey this.

We are trying to get feedback on our app/landing page. So instead of hyping it up, we decided to go the opposite route and see the response we get when we openly declare that it's not great right now.

I really hope they decide to move away from a browser based solution. I have personally toyed with the idea of making a web based IDE for front-end development, and had came across so many issues in my "experiments" that I decided it wasn't worth it.

Lets talk about editors..

CodeMirror/Ace as an editor.

While both Code Mirror and Ace ( A spin off from Mozilla's Bespin editor ) Have done a very good job, as Marijn Haverbeke ( Code Mirror author ) puts it, of "In-browser code editing made bearable". Neither are smooth / fluid / responsive enough for every/all day coding. If you read

http://codemirror.net/doc/internals.html

You will get a good sense of why the browser is a very harsh environment for a code editor to adapt to.

Alternatively you can have a play with any one of the tools, that use Code Mirror and Ace.

Try to use them for an extended period of time and you will see what I mean.

    http://jsbin.com ( Code Mirror )
    http://c9.io ( Ace Editor )

I love the concept, and I'm going to be making a donation either way. I just hope that they move away from the idea of a browser based editor. Before investing a huge amount of time and energy into it, and end up with an inferior product, largely attributed to the platform it's running on.

As a front-end developer, I'm all for making as much as I can browser based / cross platform, and pushing the limits of the browser. But from personal experience the browser isn't the place to be writing the code to do it.

I remember reading somewhere during the post mortem that they did actually go some ways to start building it.

in my view MS did have a game changer

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digita...

It still makes the iPad look half baked.

but as is the way with MS they killed it and settled for mediocre.

I'm beggining to wonder if MS are actually scared of being innovative.

If HP are to licence webOS there is only one company out there they should think of licensing it to and no other.

answer : HTC

HTC has all the things webOS needs.

1. A strong dev community, just take a look at xda-developers.com. Devs have been hacking HTC devices since the dawn of time, even back when they only made OEM handsets. The community is dedicated and goes along with changes that HTC make. the phone I am using now is a HTC hd2 nearly two years old it came running Windows mobile 6.5, shortly after the HTC community hacked it to run android off the desire, then they got it running ubuntu ( and modified it to work with touchscreens ), then Windows phone 7, then started working on meego. You can get any virtually any version of Android on this phone even none HTC roms, like the dell streak. If HTC take on webOS you can be sure there will be a version cooked up for every current HTC device by the community. If that isn't the Dev community webOS needs then I don't know what is.

2. they build great hardware and have a reputation for quality.

3. they have a higher aspiration for innovation around the brand than samsung and seem more willing to try new things.

4. they like to focus on user experience and do a pretty good job of it. I would not go for any flavour of Android that is not running the sense ui, a lot of effort has been put into it and it beats the stock Android interface every other manufacturer churns out.

I can't see how HP can do it on there own, but I can't see how they could do it with generic licensing either. They need one and only one strong manufacturer in the mobile space to propell webOS, and I'm sorry but I can't see a better fit than HTC.

of course I'm sure HTC would have something to say on the matter.

`So you're saying there's nothing airBnB could and there's no need to worry about it`

No I said

`The best they can ever do is provide you with support and advice on preventative measures.'

AirBnB should worry about the who-har going on in the media yes. About the crimes committed to an individual, bluntly no. Not beyond a empathy, support and goodwill. The rest is for the police and courts to deal with.

`And yes, of course any system can be circumvented by a sufficiently motivated individual...it's about making it complicated enough that it's not worth it given the reward.`

Hmmmm prison is the known punishment, if that isn't enough to stop people, my guess is knowing their name isn't going to deter them either.

* Nor should you expect them to put systems in place that violate the rights of the majority*

`This makes no sense. How exactly would AirBnB violate anyone's rights?`

By putting in requirements for overly intrusive personal information. To satisfy the rants of an irrational mob.

`It's a voluntary service you can use if you so desire.`

That is true, so while the irrational mob thinks that it's a good idea as a response to a bad individual. In practice, when confronted with handing over such information they will be less than eager to comply. For that reason it marks a very bad business decision for AirBnB.

The best suggestion I have heard is that AirBnB should look at providing some form of insurance policy to Hoteliers/Guests.

They have already stated that they are ramping up customer service and providing support areas on the AirBnB site.

Don't forget that the problem of criminal activity is not one way. It is not only criminals who can attack Hoteliers. The reverse is also true, and it is far more dangerous for a person to give their home address, name, telephone number etc, to someone posing as a hotel.

If your booking a hotel it's an irrelevant argument, it's a matter of fact that you need to know the address, telephone number and point of contact for where your staying.

Please think rationally....

It really gets on my nerves when I see cases like this and the responses that follow. As you have pointed out, you have no special skills to be able to recognise con artists or criminals. As this is the case with most people, how would having further private information on the guest help you to make a different judgement.

Unless we start talking criminal background checks, you are no safer than before. If anything it gives a false sense of security, which might make you less likely pursue further avenues of safeguarding. Of course criminal background checks are a completely stupid idea. I'm sure many good natured people would be hesitant to put this level of info in the hands of someone they don't know.

The truth is though even criminals can get credit cards, debit cards and any other method of verification you can think of. So that info doesn't really help. Worse still they can use fraudulent information just as easily. What do you do now? You also have to remember those opportunistic types, you know the person who has never really done anything wrong, but for whatever reason at that moment they are compelled to break the law or behave in a manner they normally wouldn't.

In a society that is mostly good, we have the police the courts, the law and prisons, to deal with bad people. You can not really on airbnb to provide you with a definitive solution to this problem, if they did then they should be running the country. Nor should you expect them to put systems in place that violate the rights of the majority, or systems that provide a false sense of security. The best they can ever do is provide you with support and advice on preventative measures.

Your safety should still be your top concern. You should not be relying on another to provide it for you.

same here, pretty bad.

I have to commend you, to are the mobile apps also built using html5 and css3.

I did find out in the end on the HN blog. Thanks for the info though. I will try that method next time.