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AntigoneJournal··on Lorem ipsum: filler fail, killer tale
Hah. There's always a chance to tackle Latin and Greek again. The man who tried to translate the nonsensical 'Lorem ipsum' summarised his efforts here: https://antigonejournal.com/2021/06/pitfalls-latin-translati...
AntigoneJournal··on Lorem ipsum: filler fail, killer tale
It is certainly the most world's read "Latin" - but yes it's in fact a bit of Cicero's philosophy that has been hacked to pieces and stitched together by an unknown typographer in Swinging Sixties London. A strange story!
AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
A good question. The best, i.e. least likely to be unreliable, sources are: epistles as preserved by papyri; conversations as preserved in ancient drama (especially comedy); phrase-books that survive from ancient school curricula; funerary inscriptions that use everyday language; graffiti.
AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
Thanks for these questions. (1) The cases under rule #2 are a mixture of proclitics and common words (such as the two conjunctions and the adverb ou). Most proclitics (including most prepositions, and most forms of the definite article) in fact do keep their accent, so a general rule can't be given. Since enclitics do follow set rules, which are much more complex than simply not having an accent, they are given their proper treatment separately in the last (and most tricky) of the rules!

(2) Analysis by morae, whereby a short syllable counts as one mora, and a long syllable as two, generally allows the rule that an acute cannot go back more than four morae, and a circumflex more than three morae - but you still have to deal with the fact that, as you say, a final long restricts an acute to three morae from the end, and face the exception given in n.13. So we decided to avoid it entirely!

AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
We never found it either - so there's a danger this may be a joke!
AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
Good on you: it is perfectly fine Ancient Greek!
AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
Many thanks for this. Yes, a fuller article would make mention of 'crasis' - where two successive words are melded into one utterance - which inevitably affected pitch and accentuation. As to breathings, their affect on pitch (as opposed to pronunciation) was null: the rough was a mere aspirate, and the 'smooth' was in effect the absence of any aspirate. Latin, as a fellow Indo-European language, had inherited initial aspirates, although these were fewer in number than in Greek, where rho and upsilon always had initial aspiration, and where Indo-European s- had become an aspirate (compare Lat. serpo with Gk herpo, or Lat. sal with your Greek hals.)
AntigoneJournal··on Ancient Greek accents in ten rules
Thanks for sharing this. Antigone runs open-access articles on anything to do with the Greeks, Romans and what the world has made of them since. We are committed to two things: opening up Classics to as wide an audience as possible, especially autodidacts who could not study the subject at school or college; and having no paywall, no paid susbcription and no profit motive. If you're interested to see what we've run in our first few months, please take a look at https://antigonejournal.com/articles/ If you think you could have a piece to write for us, see https://antigonejournal.com/contact/ And if you can face the world of social media, we can be found at https://twitter.com/AntigoneJournal and https://www.facebook.com/antigoneclassics/ Thanks for all of your interest and apologies for such a straight-up post.