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Faster than Google. Literally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46173407

This is the correct response. I use both GrapheneOS and LineageOS. But LineageOS focus is on delivering newer versions of Android to many phones abandoned by their OEM. GOS exclusively focuses on security and privacy. If you want a reasonably secure phone but don't want Google or Apple inside your device, your best bet is GOS.

Yes. They've parterned with an OEM. In fact, they are making an official GOS phone with that OEM.

Atleast you were trying to poke around their APIs. My WhatsApp account was banned totally for no reason. They blocked my two year old account for the only possible reason of using GrapheneOS. This company deserves to die.

It's true with Indian journalists. You say one thing and they twist it the other way around.

What about when Google pushed Android Safety Core to all Android devices out there?

And you also realize they can push modified build of any apps, now that they also own the keys to sign the apps?

While censorship is one thing, they forgot another overlooked ability of these app stores: pushing unwanted apps/services to our personal devices without our knowledge.The fact that the majority of people don’t care about this censorship and backdoors makes me think we don’t really appreciate the concept of freedom, and maybe we are okay with being slaves—at least until we cannot take it anymore. Maybe that’s why history repeats itself every few decades to remind us about these values.

No. Signal will pull out their services from EU. Nobody will be able to download or access Signal.

Apple and Google dominates the entire smartphone market today. They are ad companies running on surveillance economy. In addition, their platforms are proprietary, privacy invading and freedom disrespecting.

GrapheneOS is the only security and privacy focused alternative we have today. Please support GrapheneOS by nominating them in the 2025 Proton Lifetime Fundraiser.

So at any point in time, atleast one government pushes for encryption backdoors. I can't wait to see the faces of these morons when the backdoor backfires on their own government secrets.

I am sure that will cause a lot of trouble in many countries. How hard is it to click Record button for the important calls? I don't think a small project like GrapheneOS should spend time on every small request users want.

Why do you need attesation? Why do you think Google should own that device and not the user?

> as they'll detect your root

A small clarification, neither GrapheneOS or LineageOS runs as root. Rooting is different from "installing an alternate OS".

Instead it would be great if you join the fight against Google (and Apple) by using FOSS and independent distributions like GrapheneOS. It is the most secure and private option we have today. Most apps work as it is except a few those who purposefully use Google Play Integrity API to block independent platforms.

No. Maybe a couple of messages every week to known people.

Reports say IPv6 is gaining market share. But most ISPs are delegating /64 prefix. This is as useless as carrier grade NAT. Atleast with IPv4, I can create NATed subnets for guests, IoT devices etc. That's not possible with IPv6.

Overall it's a negative progress. Worse than IPv4+NAT.

This. ChatControl proposal is an act of terrorism. Doesn't matter it's done by those in power.

uMatrix is not maintained. Use NoScript or uBlockOrigin.

Quad9 (supports DoH,DoT,Dnscrypt) and Mullvad are both good secure DNS services.

Choose Quad9 if you want better security and Mullvad for it's adblocking options.

To those who say TOR, VPN, Signal, GrapheneOS or <replace with any privacy tool> is dead, we should use more of them not less. Today privacy became crime because the tech crowd (including many in HN community) ignored slow eradication of our fundamental freedom by evil companies like Apple (Yes, Apple. Don't forget they worked with NSA.) and Google. If crowd like HN is seduced by new AI enhanced, costly and locked phones, then how can a regular citizen understand freedom or privacy?

Freedom is being taken away by govt, because we are making choices that surrender it.

Encryption cannot be stopped. But Android and iOS can be backdoored. These evil companies lock down our devices, does not allow apps to run without their approval, and selectively push updates from their servers to our devices.

This is a wet dream for governments.

They've clearly explained here. I'm not sure how many people would keep asking the same question without even doing a simple web search.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

They really got into your head, huh?

CalyxOS is already dead. GrapheneOS is the only hope.

https://calyxos.org/news/2025/08/01/a-letter-to-our-communit...

They might ban the CEO and employees from entering their country or arrest them when they travel.

IMO, that is worst of both worlds. You still put your data out there on somebody else's computer but also get to maintain the infrastructure.

Unless you end-to-end encrypt your data, hosting on a VPS is just a marginal improvement over using Google or Apple's regular cloud.

To me self-hosted is having full control over the data. That includes where the data is stored, not just who's maintaining it.

GrapheneOS allows call recording. I believe LineageOS also allows.

This is not getting forked by Microsoft. This is getting forked by permissive licenses.

What problem do you think Play Integrity solve other than keeping the user's under Google's walled garden? Play Integrity is a fake marketing term for DRM fromGoogle . It does not guarantee security of the device in any way. My 6~ year old and unpatched Android 10 passes Play Integrity and can run banking apps. That explains everything about Play Integrity. I don't use apps from developers who think they know better than their users.

But you would trust Mozilla who repeatedly betrayed it's users yet still lying Firefox is a private browser?