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> 8x ctrl + alt + del > In systemd you press eight times Ctrl+Alt+Del to trigger reboot.

Like many of the other points, this one is plain incorrect.

> When the user presses Ctrl-Alt-Del more than 7x within 2s an immediate reboot is triggered. This useful if shutdown is hung and is unable to complete, to expedite the operation. Note that this kind of reboot will still unmount all file systems, and hence should not result in fsck being run on next reboot.

Systemd is reboots your system quickly if you press it multiple times. Ctrl-Alt-Del still reboots your system.

> floppy group removed > Because we know what is right to know about groups. This is just one example of the mass of group name dependencies systemd is adding. See sinit for how to not need such dependencies.

WTF? systemd is removing an obsolete group, not adding one.

> systemd-pm > Power management is required on boot up.

You're right in this one and it's a GoodThing(tm). Hopefully we might see better hibernate and sleep support.

> factory reset > Welcome to the Windows OEM world: Factory reset for Linux! Of course it is in your init process.

Yes, all features of Windows are BadThings(tm).

> Ctrl-Alt-Del still reboots your system.

Actually, it triggers a script. which should "typically" point at the reboot script. It might not, though.

So, if you absolutely want to reboot, you have to do the 8x ctl-alt-delete

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.spec...

ctrl-alt-del.target

    systemd starts this target whenever Control+Alt+Del is pressed on the console. Usually this should be aliased (symlinked) to reboot.target.

[EDIT] To address your new, edited in points:

> WTF? systemd is removing an obsolete group, not adding one.

Deleting groups is a bigger problem than adding groups, since it can cause subtle errors in Linux. Deleting a long existing group can break software which depends on it (rightly or not), and if its GID is re-used for another group, other pieces of software can start quietly doing the wrong thing.

> You're right in this one and it's a GoodThing

The problem is that it's another thing which can break at startup, and is now in the critical path to system stability. Suckless promotes simplicity, this is not simple.

> Yes, all features of Windows are BadThings

When in the critical path for system stability? Yes. I like quite a few different windows functionality points myself, but having those things suddenly moved from a relatively safe "child of PID 1" to the system critical "PID 1", they have to work perfectly, every time. Needless to say, they don't.

> Deleting groups is a bigger problem than adding groups, since it can cause subtle errors in Linux. Deleting a long existing group can break software which depends on it (rightly or not), and if its GID is re-used for another group, other pieces of software can start quietly doing the wrong thing.

Systemd is not deleting any groups.

AFAIK in SysV ctrl+alt+del would trigger reboot which anyways involves shutdown scripts.

> Actually, it triggers a script. which should "typically" point at the reboot script. It might not, though.

The world might end.

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