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I can agree with that with clojurescript, but I disagree that clojure itself has this problem.

Clojurescript -should- be calming down soon. It is in a stage of changing constantly ATM but that should calm down once some of the underlying tech is stabilized (like clojurescript bootstrapped from clojurescript).

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I get the same impressions. Even working with ClojureScript professionally for ~3 years, contributing to the compiler (a tiny, tiny bit), and diving deep into a lot of the libraries... the tooling story is way too chaotic for me.

But I'm somewhat OK with it, as the changes generally seem to be positive, and I have hope that the stability will coalesce around a good, rather than rotten-but-papered-over, core.

I feel the same way. The ClojureScript compiler routinely makes the conceptually sound choices even in the face of breakage. This leads to unstable tooling but the quality of the underlying code allows for bigger and better conceptual improvements.

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