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> So any language created by just one of the three of them is dead in the water.

Have a look how Microsoft influenced JavaScript/ECMAScript 6+ with their TypeScript intermediate language lead by Anders Hejlsberg. MS shaped ES6 how they wanted, Trojan horse or "Elop" style. Not at all surprising given the companies long extensive history (IBM, DOS, OS/2, Novell, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Internet Explorer, Nokia).

JavaScript was always a prototype inheritance based language, with ES6 it got the "class" keyword (syntactic sugar) from class inheritance based language (Java or the inspired C# from Hejlsberg): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototypal_inheritance , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop (Ex-MS, Ex-Nokia, MS Trojan horse)

JavaScript5 is a lean and nice language if one adheres to the "Good Parts" of Douglas Crockford. Some of the ES6/7 concepts were influenced and are in the wrong direction IMHO.

> Have a look how Microsoft influenced JavaScript/ECMAScript 6+ with their TypeScript intermediate language lead by Anders Hejlsberg.

To say that Typescript influenced Javascript in anyway in revisionism(i.e. a blatant LIE)

ES6 had classes way before Typescript. Furthermore, ES6 classes and Typescript classes are different.

Typescript didn't influence ES6 at all. Most ES6 influences comes from Coffeescript and Python.

Finally you're forgetting all the ES4 fiasco (basically JS looking like ActionScript3) where Microsoft said a BIG NO.

So please explain us where you got the idea that Typescript influenced or is influencing ES6. Even if you consider annotations, Traceur(Google) had them before they were implemented by Yehuda in Typescript.

  BRENDAN [Eich (JavaScript creator)]: Again, TypeScript is 
  smart because it’s embracing and extending. Let’s hope 
  Microsoft doesn’t try to extinguish. That’s the third E.

  JAMISON:  [Laughs]

  BRENDAN:  I don’t think they will. I think they actually 
  bought into JavaScript at some level. And I’ve talked to 
  people like Anders Hejlsberg about this.

Read/hear the full interview with Brendan Eich about "The Origin of Javascript" (incl. transcript): http://devchat.tv/js-jabber/124-jsj-the-origin-of-javascript...

I know this interview, where does it says that Typescript influenced Javascript? nowhere. In fact, as I said before, the minimal class proposal existed way before Typescript was made public. Your quote says nothing about Typescript classes being an influence for ES6, because it's not true. But perharps Eich could come here and confirm this in person.

Confirm: ES6 and the Harmony agenda influenced TypeScript. Where TS went its own way on things like open modules, MS has promised to track the Ecma standard versions ASAP.

In particular, TS classes were purely an extension to ES6's design, while ES6 was not frozen. There was not feedback the other way, at least not phrased in terms of TS -- the MS folks on TC39 had to make more generalized arguments for changing the draft ES6 spec.

Thanks mister.

regards.

Any of the three of them can and have influenced the direction of Javascript incrementally throughs standards groups and implementing features that become de facto via popularity.

None of them can replace it with another language.

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