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Would you look at that beast! The bigger PDF image is on the post:

https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...

To be fair ,aside from a Servlet container and JDBC none of these things are required for Java web development. Java language doesn't help though and could use more features from C# for instance.

Well I think the point is that it's a cultural thing. I really like Java, but it takes unconventional approaches to avoid bloat when working with Java tools because the "standard" way of doing things produces 200+ line stack traces.

Hah! I currently do support at my day job on a Java monolith which is as scary as it is clunky. I've seen stack traces go past 500 lines...

Yep. Java may be faster for equivalent programs, but Java in practice sure as hell makes up for it with endless abstraction.