Comment by makebelieves | Hacker News Reader

Comment by makebelieves | Hacker News Reader

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This is rather hilariously slanted. "Bigotry by subreddit". Really?

"[TumblrInAction], a subreddit dedicated to mocking Tumblr – where marginalized groups, particularly LGBTQ, post about their experiences"

Here they neatly imply r/TumblrInAction mocks LGBTQ issues when in fact, it mocks people who use identities as tools to divide and hit people over the head with. Which is incidentally what this report does:

"Overt bigotry: the use of bigoted (racist/sexist/homophobic etc.) language, whether targeting any particular individual or more generally, which would make members of the referenced group feel highly uncomfortable"

In other words: assuming everyone in group X feels the same way about what the authors consider offensive language. This ignores e.g. the vast amount of gay people on chan boards who say "faggot" for fun to each other.

This so-called bigotry is contrasted with "supportiveness", apparently a desirable trait. Yet you can easily find people's horrible behavior being supported in more hugbox-style forums, when they get into an in/out-group fight and all the niceties go out the window for the sake of victimhood. We saw this with Atheism+, with r/GamerGhazi, and the "women in tech" activists.

Speaking of, notice how they explicitly contrast r/TheRedPill with a companion "Women in Tech" link in the footnote/popup for no stated reason. TheRedPill is supposedly "dedicated to male chauvinism", where "bigoted comments received approval". Well, if you define the entire subreddit's subject matter as bigoted, are you surprised the community appears to support bigotry by your own count? I have read TheRedPill, it is the male equivalent of Jezebel, nothing more, nothing less. Really, this is just spreading fear about certain reddits, as the summary practically admits: which communities you should avoid, according to data. Yet the most toxic subreddit of all by their own data, ShitRedditSays, is nicely euphemized as home to "unproductive conversations".

Also if the authors think they "delved deep into the darkest recesses of the inter webs," by analyzing reddit comments, they are naive beyond belief.

I think the more important point is that tumblrinaction mocks people. The same is true of shitredditsays. Both subreddits believe they are mocking and hating people for good and justified reasons, but the fact is, they are communities built around hatred.

Communities built around hatred, justified or not, always end up being toxic. Hatred is sometimes - rarely - justified and necessary, but it is not a healthy emotion to be the main focus on an entire community.

Well put.

"Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike. It can be directed against individuals, groups, entities, objects, or ideas. Hatred is often associated with feelings of anger, disgust and a disposition towards hostility."

-- Wikipedia (Hatred)

It is alright until you get to the three last words. Disposition towards hostility. Things tend to go downhill from there, especially with large groups of people. People get dragged into all kinds of spats, some see no problem with doxxing, spreading outright lies, continuous flow of ad hominem and other logic errors, ... The a few actually good people tend to leave quietly as time passes, and what is left is toxic wasteland of bigotry.

Is that why the original comment got deleted for going against the narrative and pointing out the blatant bias? If you've kept up with modleaks, you'd realize srs and srd are the real "toxic" communities, which relish their identities of hate, and wheel and deal behind the scenes to spread this ideology.

TiA is a sub for people who deal with this stuff in real life and would like to meet and chat with people who aren't crazy. They have strict rules about not getting involved.

Unless you can show me examples of TiA doxxing or harassing. I have not seen it.

Seen plenty of "justified" outrage from the SRS/SRD crowd, who think they're "punching up" because of dumb simplifications like "privilege is power + oppression".

TiADiscussion can be a reasonable place, at times (so can SRSDiscussion). But tumblrinaction itself spends 100% of its time mocking people, often hatefully. That's toxic.

Yes, most people on SRS hate sexism, racism etc. This is a good thing to hate.

Here on HN people hate bad code, hate bad practices, had programming, etc

They don't hate the abstract concepts, they clearly hate actual people. And worse, specific groups of people.

Yes, they hate racists...

No, they hate what they think is racism and sexism, while continuing to put people in boxes and treating them differently based on gender and ethnicity.

Only now it's cis white men who are the acceptable target.

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