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Its for this reason I would seriously consider making my house 'no knock' safe if I were to build it from scratch. I worry about the conversation starting with "get down police!" rather than something more civil. And it seems you could design a house that would not easily be 'breached' which would mean any unplanned entry would take time and be noisy. Allowing you to start a dialog with the people trying to come in before anyone is in danger of being shot.

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Just keep in mind that such a house's protection against easy breaches by police (who, in a no-knock scenario, will be equipped for a breach) also prevents easy breaches by ambulance or fire crews. What if you're only able to call for help but you are incapacitated prior to being able to unlock your fortress?

So I guess that means no claymores planted in the yard. Dang.

Seriously though, this is a real concern. How do you build a house that is raid proof but that can be accessed by the fire dept? Maybe we should push the context of the problem back a little bit and ask: how do we de-escalate the police state in the U.S.?

De-escalation is part of why I'd want that kind of camera system - the signs would serve a dual purpose, A) notifying and hopefully at least heavily clouding charges of "he had no legal right to record, we weren't in a public place, charge him with wiretapping" (I'm in Illinois which is an all-party-consent state) and B) putting police on notice that even if they aren't using body cameras (or they're prone to "malfunction") there will still be recordings.

Given the apparent change in officer behavior that accompanies body camera use, perhaps having explicitly noted video and audio surveillance disclosed in advance will serve a similar purpose.

> I'm in Illinois which is an all-party-consent state

It looks like this was overturned in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law#Court_...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014...

n.b. I learned about this in a recent episode of "The Good Wife". I am Canadian.

The relevant part in those cites is "public places" - previously it was illegal to record police even standing on the sidewalk. Technically a news crew doing "man on the street" interviews would have been required to stop if an officer showed up.

The scenario we're covering here is for police inside your house, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't be considered public.

Flood stilts seem like they would do a lot to complicate surprise entry.

Were I to build a new house, yes, I've planned to do this. Jesus I sound nuttier by the minute.

You're not insane; it's the society we live in that is insane!

> you could design a house that would not easily be 'breached'

Most US homes have city and county building codes that regulate the number and height of windows, ostensibly for "fire rescue". Maybe you could evade this by buying a rural plot of land that is free of municipal code, but in that case you wouldn't need super security, just a long driveway with pressure sensors that alert you to anyone approaching.

boat windows are a good idea here. Typically they have a welded metal or aluminium frame and an inset of 6mm hardened glass. Some have a sandwich of several layers of lexan glued together. They come in all shapes and sizes, and can be custommade relatively cheaply. You can get ones that open from the inside. They have to be sturdy since at sea they need to be able to withstand a wave of several tons of water coming at them at full speed.

Good luck getting through that.

One easy retrofit solution (though certainly not anywhere as secure as Lexan) is 3m Window Film. This will probably be good enough to keep flashbangs from being fired thru windows. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solu...

The ad copy on that page reads:

   Because these films help hold the glass together,
   a stronger barrier is created, slowing down
   criminals to the point where they may choose
   to flee for an easier target.

Sadly, there's often only a subtle difference between a violent criminal and a SWAT team member. The personality types are often quite similar.

You wanna get shot in a raid? Try to going through a window. Go watch the Waco ATF raid footage.

Living in a bunker gets old pretty quickly. No windows that can open either.

Windows aren't really the problem. Windows are dangerous to be near for the raiding party. To raid proof a dwelling you need things that slow down entry, things that trip, bright lights or sounds that let a raiding party know they've lost the element of surprise, and some form of early warning before someone has reached a breach point such as a door.

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