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Is it just me or do the last iOS and OSX updates look really bad? I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 8 and somehow calls started dopping (even after 8.1 and resetting the entire device twice!). The Apple help desk actually asked me to install each app one-by-one to see if that finds a rogue app! Luckily, I was within a year of warranty and they replaced my iPhone.

I have not upgraded to OSX Yosemite yet. I am afraid that there will be a performance hit. Even the new iPhone 5S I got replaced faces some lags that weren't present in iOS 7.

What are your views about upgrading to Yosemite, esp. related to dev environments?

Edit: I have faced similar lags after updates on my iPad Air too. Hence, the dismay.

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OS X updates have been virtually flawless for me in the past. Yosemite is the first one with big problems:

- No longer able to connect to any 5GHz wifi routers.

- Wifi drops suddenly and won't reconnect automatically even though the network is present.

- Very slow wifi generally.

- Unable to restore from sleep, machine reboots.

- External display doesn't come up during login after sleep, need to open MacBook and login there.

- Random hangs/kernel panics. (Could be explained by faulty RAM, but starting to happen just after Yosemite upgrade? Doubt it.)

- Laggy UI.

The last point is the worst. "Reduce transparency" does nothing for me. WindowServer is occasionally using 20-30% when the system is doing almost no redrawing. Safari is sluggish, and often hangs for several seconds — especially on opening new blank tabs, loading a new site, trying to load an embedded YouTube video ("HTML5" mode) — before becoming responsive again. Overall, it feels like my machine (early 2013 MBP, quad-core 2.7GHz i7, 16GB, SSD) just rolled back two hardware generations.

Hopefully this update should fix the wifi issues. But the lagginess isn't mentioned in the release notes. Has anyone gotten any performance improvements by reinstalling the OS from scratch?

Forgot these:

- Random graphics glitches, especially in Safari. Random garbage/empty areas being painted.

- FileVault's encryption process doesn't finish. "Connect power adapter to resume encryption". It is connected. Has been doing this since I upgraded.

- If you enable "Reduced transparency", you get certain graphics artifacts. For example, the rounded corners on screen overlays such as the brightness and volume settings are painted in.

- Random hangs/kernel panics. (Could be explained by faulty RAM, but starting to happen just after Yosemite upgrade? Doubt it.)

Yup. Early 2013 15" rMBP, on Mavericks? Rock solid. Even on a fairly minimal clean install of Yosemite? Hard freezes, kernel panics.

iMac will occasionally come back from sleep with a all white screen except for my user logo. I can type (though can't see) my password and login, but the quality has gone horribly downhill.

Somehow I would expect something else from premium brands.

I have faced WiFi issues on my iPhone and iPad for sure. These comments like yours are doing to make me stay with Mavericks for a while. :-/

I like (/don't care) about the new UI look in Yosemite but I have not been very impressed with it as a whole. The install took over 3 hours (I use homebrew and minor research I did pointed at that being the cause, well the cause being lots of data in /usr/local which is where HB puts it's stuff) and this [0] issue was causing me to pull my hair out until I just disabled per-display spaces to "fix" it. That menu bar issue would cause a 1-3 second delay between clicking on a monitor different from the one with the active window which was infuriating.

I was unaffected by the big issues (wifi) plaguing iOS 8 and didn't get burned by the 8.0.1 issue. I have the 6+ and I do have some weird issues still like BT Audio sometimes skipping a second or two when the screen rotates (I know... odd) or just screen rotation issues as a whole (I shouldn't have to shake my phone or switch orientations multiple times before it works!!). Also the healthkit stuff not working at release (because of a security bug) was annoying, where is the homekit integration?, handoff is gimmicky and I have found little/no use for it so far (I have a MBPr + iPhone + iPad, I expect better), keyboards where glitchy as fuck on release, Apple Pay didn't support either of my CC's and the process to setup a card was far from what I would expect from Apple.

All in all: Yes, both releases were shit if you ask me and that's coming from someone who loves Apple products and owns quite a few of them.

[0] http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/152038/prevent-redr...

> All in all: Yes, both releases were shit if you ask me and that's coming from someone who loves Apple products and owns quite a few of them.

Thanks! I have similar thought and I have not even updated to Yosemite! Just the sheer amount of issues I read about online and my iOS disasters lead me to believe that Apple's entire update across the suite of products was not what it used to be. I left the Windows land to get the stable and tested products and updates. If I have to be locked down tremendously and face the issues I used to face with Windows, I might as well just use something where most of my development is - Linux.

Couldn't agree more. I love linux for servers and work with linux servers all day long but I don't like linux desktop or app selection as much. I think there is something to be said for using a beautiful interface and apps everyday and I haven't really seen anything in the linux world that come anywhere close (without HOURS AND HOURS of playing with configs). I bought into Apple for *nix environment that "just worked (tm)" if they push another bad OS X release then I'll have to seriously consider linux again...

I've had a lot of wonkiness with Keychain, iCloud, and iMessage since the upgrades, but that seems to be because certain preferences were reset or deactivated in the process. (I'm also willing to accept user error as the culprit).

Have also had some weird issues with wifi connectivity, which is ostensibly one of the reasons for this update. And there have been some strange lockups on the mail screen on my iPad, occasionally forcing me to hard-close the mail app.

Other than that, I haven't noticed anything significantly "bad" about the updates. Yosemite has been fine for me, and aside from some third-party compatibility issues (which happen with every major OS upgrade), the upgrade has been seamless. iOS 8 performs well, aside from the aforementioned problems.

Whole system crashes have been much more common, especially ones related to sleep (the system won't wake up). About half a dozen to a dozen times since the upgrade (one month) but really, there shouldn't be any.

Out of curiosity did you fresh install or upgrade?

I'd upgraded since Leopard/Snow Leopard it had always just worked for me. Yosemite though had crashes and hanging - I decided a fresh install and it's been working great since.

Not the best news if you're used to upgrading but for me it worked wonders.

I did an upgrade and I'm considering wiping and doing a fresh install when I get some time. This is my primary work machine (it's a personal laptop but all my work stuff is on it) and so I'm hesitant to take any chances or do anything that could mess with my work timelines on projects.

I actually am in the same boat. Primary machine, both personal and projects on it. It is a lot of work to do a fresh install. It eats up a day and I do not have that. I was paying big bucks to Apple to solve this for me. Don't you think so?

"I was paying big bucks to Apple to solve this for me"

Agreed. I don't want to have to worry about shit like this. When I use Windows I would ALWAYS do a clean install and almost always do a clean install every few months because I run my machines hard (installing tons of stuff to try out then removing it). With OS X I didn't have to worry about this and have saved a TON of time not having to rebuild my computer with each release. I expect better from Apple.

Upgrade from a newly installed Mavericks. Yeah, definitely could be the difference. If it keeps happening, I'll definitely consider a fresh install.

So far I haven't encountered any issues with iOS 8 or Yosemite. I use my laptop as a developer daily and it's been perfect for me.

Thanks! Did you do a fresh install or upgraded?

FWIW, I did an upgrade and I haven't seen any (new) problems what so ever.

The new iOS seems OK except multifinder gestures are all to pot. WiFi is iffy and all in all apps are slower.

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