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The HN title is total flame bait and does not match the actual post title on either LtU or Vimeo; a mod should really change it. It may also make sense to change the link to the Vimeo presentation as linking to the LtU discussion forces people to click through to see anything and is a little strange – are we supposed to watch the video or read the LtU thread?

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For easy access: The link to the video is: http://vimeo.com/107069470 (Some HNers just look at the comments first, so this might be useful for someone.)

And since the post now links to Vimeo, here is the LtU link: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/5054

Yes, a moderator changed the url from that, and the title from "Kaya: The Future of Programming" in the hope that it would nudge the discussion back on-topic.

Thanks, Dan (or whichever mod did that). You saved the thread.

This is a presentation of Kaya at the Future of Programming Workshop. The title is accurate. Shortened in a clickbait fashion, perhaps, but not "total flame bait".

True. I read the "future of programming" part as someone being really excited rather than accurate though.

Although the future of programming is probably declarative once we stop doing it ourselves and leave the implementation details to the AI writing the program for us.

The title isn't flame bait. This really is the future of programming, in my opinion.

The link is to LtU because I submitted it once before as a direct link and it wasn't upvoted. I couldn't submit that link again directly.

> This really is the future of programming, in my opinion.

That is exactly why it is flame bait :)

You're welcome to think the future of programming consists of typing into text documents; I think it looks more like using a spreadsheet.

You're welcome to think the compiler and syntax are important; I think it's visualizations.

You're welcome to think the future is a grandchild of C; I think we haven't even begun the journey yet.

Crap like this makes me actively not want to listen to you and reflects badly on Kaya. If you want to effectively promote something, give an honest account of its advantages and drawbacks and let people judge for themselves whether it's going to be the future of programming or not. The presenter of this talk understands that and doesn't try to oversell it, simply describing Kaya as "declarative reactive"; you should respect this and not make their work look crankish because of the way you, not they, choose to present it.

I suspect he is the presenter. But agree totally - the tone of the talk works 100% better.

You're going to want to work on your communication if you want to evangelize your new tool and not alienate people. For the rest of the world, the value of Kaya is not a given and you're going to get a lot of practice explaining it.

I'm 'people' as well and am not alienated. Nothing to stop you offering a mini-lecture on PR but for myself, rather you didn't. I can make up my own mind on Kaya as presented.

Being the author, of course you'd say that.

The fact that you actually believe that is a big red flag to me, especially when you refuse to put your argument in a written form.

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