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Unrelated, but it's kinda sad to see that we are all locked into Google Play Services.

Not technically, there is the FOSS Android App Store provided by F-Droid.

I have that installed and it's doesn't have a lot of stuff that I use daily... Like facebook messenger (shamed to admit..) and such.

I try my best to use as much OSS on my phone as possible (I compile my own OS from CM), but it's really hard to get everything

It's not Google Play Services so much as most app developers won't even bother with doing the app submission process for Amazon, which to date is a PITA (clunky web interface, smaller user base, waiting for someone to review your app which may get rejected when you can just go the easy route with Google Play).

Imho the "Google Services as blocker" is way worse than it's normally recognized:

If you want to use a faux-taxi or similar service, Lyft, Sidecar, Flywheel and Uber all need the Google Play Services to work.

The sad thing, is that Sidecar is available on the Amazon store, but since there's no way to explicitly state the dependency of an application on Google's libraries, it will just crash at installation/runtime with a segfault (due to not being able to load a .so)

Only after going back to a device with the Google services I realized that you can actually use Uber from your mobile browser (it's at m.uber.com, but if you visit uber.com from your mobile there're no prominent links that point to the former)

Those are all apps that I'd expect to use Google's location service, which costs money to keep updated so I can understand Google restricting it. Maybe Amazon should provide (or buy) their own location service and provide a common API?

They do:

https://developer.amazon.com/post/Tx14BH5AW0NG41K/Amazon-Map...

granted, this might not be as fully-featured as Google's (I never used either), but given the existence of Openstreetmap and other efforts like the Nogapps project http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375 there should be enough manpower to build a solid alternative.

It's a bit sad that Amazon is not capitalizing/building-on/improving OSS, but it's even more sad that 99% (random estimate) of the (western?) Android apps are constraining themselves to run only on Google-licensed devices

Is nogapp opensource? I can't find the source..

edit: nvm i see it now. For ref it is at https://github.com/microg

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