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The $35,000 will be starting after rebate, so $42,500 out the door with zero upgrades. I'm pessimistic they can get that low of a price with 300 mile range, so I'm predicting that is an optional battery upgrade from the base price. There are options you will want like the tech package which is $3k+ on the S.

I snagged a 40kwh S before they discontinued it. Had it for a year, never needed to charge anywhere but my home. I get about 135 miles on a charge and it has been more then enough for commutes around the metro.

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Source? This is what they said during one of their earnings calls:

Barclays Capital – Question about $35,000 price point – before or after tax credits?

Deepak Ahuja (CFO): The $35,000 does not assume that the $7,500 federal tax credit is no longer available, but that the 35,000 Tesla Gen 3 pricing is without any subsidy.

Elon Musk: Helpful to have credits, but Tesla is not counting on them.

The tax credit applies for the first 250,000 (domestic?) units per manufacturer though, so if you pre-order a Model 三 you might be able to get it for $27,500.

This was said over a year ago in an earnings call. I hope he is correct. It's a detail that is regularly omitted, wonder why. That tax credit will be available for the gen 3 based off of S sales. There are also phase out periods for the credit when the sales target has hit for 50% and 25% of tax credit. Telsa will want to have optimal production capabilities when that time comes.

> Model 三

Cute.

The $35,000 will be starting after rebate

Citation? You might be right, but I thought I read that 35k was before the tax credit.

For that matter, I believe the current EV tax credit is only available for the first X number of EVs produced by a given manufacturer. It's possible the same credit won't be available anymore by the time the 3 comes out. Or on the other hand, there have been talks of raising the credit to 10k and making it permanent. Hard to know what will happen in the next few years.

Tesla always advertises the after rebate price. Nothing makes me think they would change that now. You are right that it is possible the rebate won't be available when this launches. I also doubt they can hit 2017 but we will see I guess.

If they could do come close to launch, actually hit that price with no rebate, and hit the 300 mile claim I would be very impressed (and in line to buy) but I think all of that is not adding up.

edit: according to a post above Tesla said they were not including the tax rebates. So that means you could get into a Model 3 for $27k. I really don't see how they can do that and 300mile range. That's a huge price cut from a model s. Makes me think it's not going to be up to the same quality/luxury feel that the model S has.

Which battery option do you have. 135 miles out of what is supposed to be 200 mile range doesn't seem so great. I need at the very least 120mile guaranteed to make my commute.

It's a 60kwh battery software limited to 40kwh. In other words, it allows me to charge to 66% on a 60kwh battery. I could pay $10k to unlock the extra 60 miles of charge, but not worth it to me.

Wait, does tesla put the same battery in all the vehicle and just limit it via software?

No, they only did it for people that ordered the 40kwh.

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