My experience actually matches what you're saying, in that there was always much better discussion around the number of story points and I never felt like my story point estimates were guesses. If there were any disagreements over story points, we'd at least be able to discuss it concretely ("here's why I think this task is more complex / more simple").
For what it's worth, before I was gone our process was moving more towards a velocity focus, where story points were getting more importance than time estimates. Generally Scrum was a new thing for our company and our group was one of the first to use it; I don't think they were using estimates as a whip, at least not intending to. However the business still needed/wanted concrete dates that the group had to commit to.