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I don't think anyone in our team is anxious to be right. However, I also don't think anyone in our team is anxious to get better too (both in term of personal skills AND our process in general). For several reasons, most of our developers treat (and work) this as a 9 to 5 jobs.

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I told everyone to take off at 4 and watch the world cup. I came back at 6 and everyone was still working (and watching the cup), so I got back to work with them. We're still on Slack squashing bugs and we're all pumped to be doing it. Just taking a break to check HN while files upload.

You'll know that environment when you see it. If you're not in a position to create that where you are, move on.

> I came back at 6 and everyone was still working (and watching the cup), so I got back to work with them. We're still on Slack squashing bugs and we're all pumped to be doing it...You'll know that environment when you see it. If you're not in a position to create that where you are, move on.

Funny, my advice would be the exact opposite: avoid environments that blur the lines between personal life and professional life.

Depends what you want. I see a lot of both here on HN, advice going both ways. I'm confident we do a good job giving people options - the most important way is that I encourage people to make a habit of only spending 6-8 hours in the office a day, and if you want to work more than that, do it from home/coffee shop. That way, you're not sitting around feeling pressured to keep working when really you're done for the day. The founders obviously basically work all day, so we're always available, but I think it alleviates the pressure that I see felt at offices where everyone seems to stay late as a habit.

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