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An Apple mouse has come with every Mac I've bought. The first thing I do with them is throw them away. Worst mouse ever. Don't care that it is oh so pretty so very precious pretty. While I'm ranting, mice with heavy batteries aggravate carpal tunnel. Lightweight wired mice with a wheel and many buttons for the win. $9 buys a great mouse, a superior mouse that is more ergonomic. Things that harm your wrists are not ergonomic. Ergonomics and usability are not about curves and translucent plastic. And simplicity and elegance is not about having to use a second hand to press a control button on a separate device in order to access the functions of the right mouse button such as contextual menus.

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You may not have used an Apple mouse in some time, if you're saying you have to push a keyboard button to right click. Apple mice for many years have had a right click function, but, granted, you did for a long time have to enable it by default.

I'll agree that Apple's mice are a little uncomfortable to use, but the touch features on the Magic Mouse are worth it for me - being able to use expose or switch between desktops with a gesture is very valuable.

If you ever game on your Mac, you soon find out that it is impossible to right click without raising your left click finger first.

I'm only an occasional gamer, but it was enough for me to jettison both magic and mighty mouses after a few days. Shame.

yup, I forked over for the magic mouse and realized I couldn't do 3D graphic work in Blender because of the requirement of multiple button pushing.

Razer Naga, my friend.

The ergonomics of every Apple mouse since the puck have been horrible. If I use them for more than a couple of hours, my hand starts cramping up. In the past, I've always just defaulted to a Logitech mouse...cheap, great battery life, feels awesome, gets the job done. Last week, I bought a Wacom tablet and I have to say that a week into it, it's changed my interaction with my computer significantly (positively). I don't see myself going back to a mouse.

Yes. And the Magic Trackpad beats any mouse for any task that is not Photoshop or gaming.

True, the trackpad is a killer once you get the handle of it.

I didn't like mine (and it was a PITA to get it), probably because there is no "resting position" like with a big mouse.

Well, I never thought of this

I just keep the base of the hand outside the lower part of the trackpad

There's also a trackpad<>keyboard hand movement as well so it doesn't stay there always.

Just rest your hand on it is the best advice i can give. The palm detection works really well.

I love my trackpad, but use it in combo with my logitech.

YES. I've never used an apple mouse that doesn't immediately hurt my wrist.

As far as I can tell, most everyone I know has converged on the Logitech Performance MX as the undisputed (though unfortunately expensive) most ergonomic and functional mouse.

Even worse than the Pro Mouse is the "hockey puck" mouse. An ergonomic disaster in every sense.

Personally, my best experiences have been with Logitech mice. The Performance Mouse MX and Marathon Mouse M705 are both great.

> is the "hockey puck" mouse.

I don't disagree that they're terrible, but didn't they end production of those 15 years ago?

I wish I could love Magic Mouse, but it is way too small for my hands. Steve was tall and it is likely he had large hands, but the product had to appeal for the masses. Mouse can't be all for one.

Mighty mouse scroll wheel was amazing and I still lust for it, but today I just use magic trackpad - it's flexibility with gestures and low profile helps with fatigue. However I find repetetive and quick tasks to be done easier with a traditional, ugly and cheap wired mouse.

This. My magic mouse bites me (nips me on the gaps around the edge), gives me proper arm pain and a rash.

Total piece of crap.

Have a 12 year old Microsoft optical USB one that replaced it.

In the words of a great man: you're holding it wrong.

You're not supposed to grip the magic mouse. Hold it with your thumb and ring finger on either side of the apple logo at the bottom, palm wresting on the mouse pad, and use your index and ring fingers for clicking and scrolling.

When you click, your fingers should be in the dead centre of the mouse.

Or just get a magic trackpad.

So what you're revealing is that somebody can hold the mouse wrong, which means a point of failure of design. the magic mouse is shite and causes wrist / arm pain, basically what people call carpal tunnel, the magic mouse is problematic at best.

No other mouse gives me the same trouble. Its the mouse not me.

It's not because I don't know how to use the three sea shells.

Yep! No one believes me that the Magic Mouse pinches my fingers.

How does a mouse give one a rash?

Alloy has nickel in it. Nickel causes contact dermatitis for a lot of people, me included. My MBP does the same and is coated in vinyl sheet to stop it literally making my hands bleed.

Apple is one if the only vendors that actually doesn't actually consider biology when designing a product. Even the shittiest Lenovo or no brand Chinese clone laptops are made of better materials.

So I use my Lenovo instead and the MBP sits there like a lemon waiting until I can be arsed to clean it out and eBay it.

LOTS of people have this problem. My dermatologist said that he sees 3-5 people a week that have contact allergies on hands and ears that use apple products. I tried to email apple about it - never heard a thing back.

Edit: 2 days of using an MBP without vinyl around it: http://i.imgur.com/HgDquuE.jpg

This is strange. The Macbook Pro is anodized aluminum - shouldn't have nickel in it, but it might have copper/zinc traces, which are also allergenic to some people.

It was a common quip a few years ago to say: "Apple mice have three buttons, just like PC mice. It's just that two of them are on the keyboard".

I recently (Feb 2014) got a MacBook Air, my first Mac. I bought an Apple keyboard, but Apple's mice are so awful I kept my USB PC mouse. I can't live without middle-click.

I have to agree. It's not ergonomic at all.

I'm a big proponent of using a vertical mouse. Not that cheap (mine was around 50) and not sexy, but useful.

yup, seconding, thirding and fourthing the vertical mice. Got an evoluent at home, cost me quite a bit, and then I got a cheaper yet highly rated lugulake, and the anker ones look good and are rated well.

Evoluent probably will have to come down in price now that there are more competing alternatives. Vertical mice solved my wrist and my coworkers' wrists' problems.

I'm on one from Evoluent as well (but as far as I know they updated it at least once since I got mine).

Wouldn't want to go back.

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