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This seems like a logical fallacy. Of course you have to separate your language's tokens with something. This is not "significant" whitespace. It's token delimiters, and they don't generally need whitespace. for example func(){return 1} has no whitespace between func and the open paren, also

    func        (){     
            a := 1
                          return a

             }

while ugly, this still compiles just fine. It would compile just as fine if you randomly flipped some of the spaces into tabs.

Whitespace is not significant in Go.

The difference between significant whitespace and requiring "some" whitespace is that if you did something like that in Python, you could end up with a program with different logic depending on which spaces were flipped to tabs. This is why mixing spaces and tabs in Python is verboten.

In go, you can mix spaces and tabs all you want, wherever you want in your code and it will never ever change the logic of your code, period. (obvious exceptions for changes inside string literals)

So, it's not really a matter of degrees, and Python's method is completely broken if you ever mix tabs and spaces, which as Rob Pike points out, are completely indistinguishable in the default views of most editors.

Did you know that almost all your example is perfectly doable in Python? Try this:

  def       my_func     (      )    :
      
      a        =      1

      return       a

It will run without a problem because only leading space is significant. Then you can mix tabs and spaces, add the space you want, blank lines, etc.

The Python coding style guideline (PEP 8) is very specific in that it recommends the use of 4 leading spaces per level. You can use a very simple program with regular expressions to solve any problem you could have in the mix of tabs and spaces in your files.

Now, try this example in FORTRAN.

  parameter(x=2)
  print*,"The parameter is ",x

Why can't I use commas or parentheses to delimit all the tokens in Go? Why does it insert semicolons without asking? Is such an arbitrary and problematic decision as the significant leading whitespace in Python.

I didn't specifically take the time to make code that would break in python, obviously, I could, and it would be trivial to do so.

Yes, it's just leading spaces that are different in Python, I know. I actually like python, but the space indenting is fragile.

It's similarly trivial to make syntactically correct code that breaks in Go. Example:

  if (a == 1) {
      return a }
  else { return b }

This won't compile in Go. But whitespace wasn't significant in Go, right? Take out the curly braces, add a couple of colons and this will run without a problem in Python.

My point is, there isn't such a big difference between Go and Python. Significant whitespace doesn't mean "whatever Python does differently", it means that whitespace is syntactically meaningful. Any whitespace in any part of your program has the potential for changing the meaning of it. If it does, then it's significant.

It's trivial to make a text editor show tabs and insert spaces even if you press tab. It's trivial to make a program that will switch leading tabs for the number of spaces that you want from a file. I don't say it's trouble-free, but it isn't such a big issue; and automatic semicolon insertion isn't trouble-free either, as you can see. You won't have problems with any of them if you take a little care.

In Python, leading whitespace and newlines are syntactically significant. In Go, newlines are in many cases syntactically significant. In both of them space around many keywords is significant (try to write packagemain in Go, see how it goes), and you can't put whitespace in names.

Sorry, I forgot, you can also do this in Python:

  def my_func():a=1;return a;

Try it, it works!

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