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Eve really is as fun as it sounds in the articles, for a few hours every couple of months. Unfortunately, you have to "work" for many more hours than that to get to the fun parts that spontaneously happen every few months.

Now, if you are just looking to relax and blow up imaginary spaceships PVE style, that can be done easily and on a regular basis and can be reasonably fun. If you are looking for the amazing PVP battles, those are much tougher to come by, and require a lot more work to support the fact that your stuff is getting blown up. When they do happen though, it's the best part of any game I've played. It really is the best game there is, for a few hours every couple of months. :-)

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The other problem is that EVE is advertised as a "choose your own destiny" sort of game, but if you choose to perform low-risk work in highsec you will forever be mocked as a carebear by 75% of EVE players. It gets tiring, regardless of how thick your skin is. I learned quickly that you might as well not even post on the forums; "carebears" are second-class citizens and most players consider it okay to level homophobic and other slurs at them (and this is encouraged by the game's culture).

It's also hopeless to work in highsec (and usually lowsec), really.

EVE: "Choose your own destiny, as long as that destiny is nullsec PVP."

Yeah, the game is dominated by the nullsec alliances, but I mostly don't notice the mocking. If you want to be active in the forums yeah it can get annoying, but if you just want to relax and do some PVE you'll never notice it.

P.S. I've done just about everything you can do in Eve, and low sec pirating has been my favorite, with high sec PVE and industry probably being second. I didn't really enjoy much about nullsec blob warfare.

Nullsec is dominated by the nullsec alliances, and big battles, which are the only thing non-EVE media reports on, happen almost exclusively in nullsec.

I kind of OD'd on MMO's back in the days when Everquest was king. I played with some RL friends and, when they got sucked into an uber-guild, so did I. Pretty soon it was a second job and about as fun. Still, being elite was addictive. Eventually, I had to choose between virtual success and real-world success. There just wasn't enough time for both!

The funny thing is, this experience completely turned me off of multiplayer games, MMO or otherwise. I used to enjoy logging into FPS servers and wasn't half bad at several popular games. There was no time for them when I played MMO's, and I've never gotten back into them since. Since I know people who used to work at Bioware, I've long made a point of playing every single one of their games. That ended when they made a MMO. I briefly played Mass Effect 3's cooperative multiplayer, but I couldn't stand even that! There is absolutely nothing that breaks immersion and destroys your enjoyment of a game universe like listening to teenagers talking smack.

Yeah, I'm a geezer now I suppose. Damn kids, get off my Quake server!

>There is absolutely nothing that breaks immersion and destroys your enjoyment of a game universe like listening to teenagers talking smack.

Sounds like my experience with console games lately except I don't even think some of them are even teenagers yet. It really ruins some of the new games.

I wish we had a reliable way to play online games and play by age groups.

As I was reading your comment, I heard "Call of Duty: Seniors Tour". Sadly[1], that actually would be a great idea although the definition of seniors might be interesting.

1) sadly that the environment is so toxic that this would be desirable

Seniors: Have been working full time for >1 year

Perhaps when our generation becomes seniors we will still play games.

Conversely, we attribute far too much immature behaviour to the mythical '14-year-old gamer'. Gamers aren't teenagers anymore, and haven't been for a long time. There's plenty of twentysomething immature gamers, and a few higher as well.

(too late to edit: "gamers aren't synonymous with teenagers")

When I said not teenagers I was talking about people younger than 13, and believe me they are all over any COD game. Trust me some of them told me how old they were as they sang Miley Cirus songs to everyone playing.

The 20 somethings just talk trash and are rude the kids are just annoying and never stop talking.

You should look at clans that specifically focus on older gamers. I was with TOG[1] for a long time. They are a great bunch of people!

[1]http://www.theoldergamers.com/

This won't stop eve "local chat" being full of obscenities. There are plenty of ways to play games (of all sorts) with a social group that meets your preferred ideals, but when you encounter people outside that group the communication is unlikely to be either pleasant or PG-13. Specifically in eve, but often elsewhere.

I'm well past caring at this point, it's all just words.

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