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> The EU has only existed for a couple of decades. To suggest that the EU is a reason we haven't had any wars recently is ridiculous.

You don't go to war with your major trading partners, it would be economic suicide. Of course, the EU isn't the only reason why there hasn't been (more) war, but it's a significant contributing factor along with organisations like NATO.

>From regulations on fruit

Ugh. I wish people would stop bringing this horrendous straw-man up. Those regulations replaced a dozen separate national regulations with one single European regulation. That's good for trade and good for consumers. It's not something to bitch about.

>Thankfully the UK will not be part of the EU for too much longer.

You may be waiting a lot longer than you think.

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> You don't go to war with your major trading partners, it would be economic suicide.

I suggest you go read up on WWI.

To be fair, trade between European countries has increased by orders of magnitude since WW1, and that remains true even after you account for general economic growth.

> You may be waiting a lot longer than you think.

No, I won't. The public is overwhelmingly hostile, and demands a say in who is creating our laws.

There will be an absolute landslide victory for UKIP in the may elections, and the government will have to take note. If around 80% want to withdraw from Europe, you're going to have to do what they want at some point.

The public will demand we govern ourselves rather than be dictated to by some foreigners.

If not, I'm sure there will be wars pretty soon...

> There will be an absolute landslide victory for UKIP in the may elections, and the government will have to take note. If around 80% want to withdraw from Europe, you're going to have to do what they want at some point.

Yeah, I certainly hope so. Britain has been helding back European integration long enough :)

As an European from the Shengen Area, I never really considered the UK a part of EU.

London is 2H30 from my home (Paris), but I found going to Roma or Barcelona more easy, since I don't need any ID (and don't have to deal with customs and the induced delays).

I board the train on the evening, and when I wake up I'me ready for a week-end abroad. It's also cheaper, but that can be explained by the technical feat required to create The Channel Tunnel.

I agree. I am British. I'm in no way whatsoever "European". We'll be better out of the EU, and the EU will be better without us.

> We'll be better out of the EU, and the EU will be better without us.

I don’t know and don’t care about the former, but being able to implement remotely sensible policies without an American outpost sitting at the table will be a net plus for Europe, yes. I wonder why you guys wanted to join in the first place. Free tr…uce, free trace, free…trade, maybe?

EDIT: OTOH, is there any industry left in Britain that could benefit from ‘just’ free trade, as opposed to free movement of capital and such?

Things will be different. For example, Britain will have absolutely zero say in any regulations or currency policies in the European Union. Which sounds great, from a british perspective, until you consider that the UK will be forced to swallow any EU regulation anyway. That's what the Swiss and Norway do by essentially importing labor and trade goods without checks or customs. If you want import controls and customs however, you have to sacrifice a percentage point or two of your GDP...

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/05/07/eu-referendum-paradox/

Not sure that qualifies as 'overwhelmingly hostile', especially with so many undecideds.

No, I won't. The public is overwhelmingly hostile, and demands a say.

As an outside observer from another continent, pitching the idea of an in-out referendum struck me more like your politicians simultaneously punting and pandering on the issue without actually caring to leave the EU. Especially considering that your current government refused to even try and make the referendum happen unless you reelect them first. The further you get from the 2008 economic meltdown the less you'll care to leave the EU and they know it.

I just checked the polling and even though a few years ago there was a 25 percentage point lean towards leaving, it's declined over the years and I'm completely unsurprised to see today that in March opinion has started leaning towards staying.

>There will be an absolute landslide victory for UKIP in the may elections, and the government will have to take note. If around 80% want to withdraw from Europe, you're going to have to do what they want at some point.

Current opinion polls would beg to differ. Labour is polling first and UKIP and the Conservatives are vying for 2nd place.

And as for a referendum, ~43% want to remain in the EU with ~36% wanting to leave.

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