> I have never encountered any shitty Java programmers, so they must be pretty good as a community.

> I don't think they have any intention of climbing the management ladder because they didn't after two years

> I, arel, am in a good position to judge the quality of my previous coworkes, and they have all been fantastic!

Well, 'arel', first of all thank you for your useful contribution to hacker news.

Second of all, if in all of your 10 years in various companies (you also sound like you have been doing Java only, so this applies doubly so) you have never maintained any shitty Java code from a shitty Java programmer, well, you must either have been very lucky, or you must be one of them, don't you?