Also, apparently LEGO is being held responsible for girls liking pink now. (Hint: pink is not the problem - girls want to signal they are girls, and by random chance pink got selected as a predominant signal).
Also, apparently LEGO is being held responsible for girls liking pink now. (Hint: pink is not the problem - girls want to signal they are girls, and by random chance pink got selected as a predominant signal).
Source: I was a child once.
Later on, I learned Lego manufacturing tolerances are measured in micrometers.
[1] http://flowingdata.com/2013/02/07/analysis-of-lego-brick-pri...
Legos are priced at what people are willing to pay for them. If they were overpriced they would not sell and there would be no Legos. Maybe you are suggesting that Legos should be cheaper because the material cost do not justify the prices you see, well again, Legos are priced at what they sell at and clearly people have voted with their wallets and have said that Legos are worth greater than the sum of their parts. It would be a disservice to Lego's investors to price them in accordance with the wishes of people who think everything should be accessible to everyone. For-profit companies should responsibly capture all the value they can.
The net effect of your comment is to further confuse the distinction between what is expedient/existing and what is right, and to discourage people from developing an independent sense of the latter (in the same vein as "might makes right" and "technological determinism").
Nope never said that, show me where I said this.
> people have voted with their wallets and have said that Legos are worth greater than the sum of their parts
Also,
> Legos are priced at what they sell at"
If you're taking issue that it's not a direct iron-clad "tautology", then please insert whatever less-stringent term you please that indicates circular reasoning by which a process supposedly justifies itself.
That's half a quote. The point you misquoted was very specific, regarding Legos being priced higher than their material costs works, because people value Legos for more than the plastic they're made with. That's not a tautology, that's a simple observation. This is without a doubt the worst conversation I've ever had about Legos.
This "conversation" has been terrible because you've been nitpicking for seemingly its own sake, while completely ignoring any substance of what I've said.
I wonder how do you reason without the theory of markets? Serious question!
I wont argue with that. But you can raise prices by raising demand for your product. Perhaps by aggressively marketing (and meta-marketing) a movie based on your product...
So what?
They raise the price. You think it's too high. Don't buy it.
How will it "make" you pay more in the future?
http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/14ccan/lego_super_star...
As a side point, I found the piece very well written. The author's biases are not hidden, while the analysis stays focused on objective points, which makes it very well balanced IMO.
One of them loves Transformers and Ninjago, we get her those toys with no mention of boy versus girl toys.
I just don't understand what the problem is with needing specially made toys for girls to offset some perceived injustice when they can play with the boy toys just as well.
Also the question is how do you identify female LEGO figurines? If you add feminine traits like lipstick or long hair, aren't you cementing another stereotype? Or adding boobs - again you are exposing yourself to criticism. I'd say as long as it doesn't spot a beard, any LEGO figurine can be taken as male or female at wish.
I suspect the criticism assumes LEGO firefighters are male unless they wear lipstick, because I don't think all LEGO firefighters are bearded.
And, as you say, what is the problem of playing with a figurine of the opposite sex? We even bought our son a Playmobil horse with girl tender that came in a pink box. I have yet to notice any trauma it might have induced. Maybe the payback will be in 20 years when his psychotherapist will expose our deeds.
Edit: here is a random LEGO firefighter I googled. What does make it male? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61cMG%2BjM8hL._SL1500_...
I don't see fire fighters or policemen or construction staff, so her statement (and other peoples argument) is valid. How to interpret this fact can be tricky, because there's still more variety than traditional 'girly' toys I think, but when contrasting this with the "City" line of toys (http://www.lego.com/en-us/city), the gender bias is blinding.
I think it is great that Lego has developed a theme that isn't focused on physical confrontation. I have three girls who play with Lego and they request a mix of sets. For Christmas, they requested sets from Friends, Lord of the Rings, and Ninjago. My four year old got a Chima set. They don't see it as a girl vs boy thing.
Now, if I was heavily into buying Lego bricks, I'd also mix from the different sets to have more situations, and my kid doesn't really care if his toys are action figures or dolls.
You know what "traditional" girl toys are? What previous generations, or "parents", say they are.
Please show me what makes the actual firefighters and policemen "male"? I see some figurines with beards, but many without beards - they could be any gender.
Also never mind the fact that including many female fire fighters would be a lie, because the real world isn't really like that.
They then developed a lego girls magazine.
Girls were transferred over to the girls magazine automatically.
The girls magazine has much fewer build instructions for different projects.
Offering two different magazines is fine - here's detailed builds and new kit information; here's a social stuff mag. But automatically offering one to girls and the other to boys is weird.
I agree it could have been handled better. But what if girls actually prefer the girl's magazine? The PC assumptions seems to be to assume that girls only like what they are told to like, but what if there actually are differences in preferences, and marketing is simply reacting to it?
It should be noted she never uses the word "evil" or any such synonym. The claim is that LEGO is an indifferent entity that tries to manipulate people into buying their stuff religiously, and the article demonstrates the latest form of such manipulation. Whether that's "evil" is left to you, even if the author clearly has an opinion on the subject.
Seems the author is not beyond using manipulation either.
"The claim is that LEGO is an indifferent entity that tries to manipulate people into buying their stuff religiously"
Really - are they not just a company trying to sell it's products? It seems to me the way you or the author words it is simply reframing that as something negative.
If the brand is "creativity is good, and you can actually build whatever you want with LEGO, not just the Star Wars model the evil empire suggests", where exactly is the problem? I'm pretty fine with such a brand.
Maybe they simply like their own product, and the enthusiasm shows in the movie?
I am not a LEGO expert - I am waiting for somebody to tell me why they are supposedly evil, other than them being successful? I just don't like articles that sort of imply that somebody who is successful has to be evil. It's also banking on the envy we all have in us. Yes it feels good to read such an article, makes us feel better about our own mediocrity. In fact, it being in the NYT, that is probably exactly the point of it: it's OK to be mediocre and never try to change the status quo, as long as you keep reading the NYT and click on it's ads. You're a loser, but hey, you are a better person.
Since HN is interested in companies and product development they might be interested in the book "The Real Toy Story". It's a cut throat industry.
I'm a bit sad about the rise of themed tie in kits. I'm a bit worried about the development of "girls kits" and "boys kits" - I don't mind them having different kits but they are undeniably gendering the kits rather than just offering choice.
It's great to see Lego doing well after a really rough time.
Yes, the language is shaped by her opinion of LEGO, or more likely, of corporations in general. But she isn't making an y real effort to convince you; it's an assumed context. If you think that corporations are great, you're not really the intended reader.
Really - are they not just a company trying to sell it's products? It seems to me the way you or the author words it is simply reframing that as something negative.
It's not reframing unless one considers that in general, a company selling their products is a good thing. But even if one does, there's still an argument to be made about LEGO's (and other corporations') way of doing so.
If the brand is "creativity is good, and you can actually build whatever you want with LEGO, not just the Star Wars model the evil empire suggests", where exactly is the problem? I'm pretty fine with such a brand.
Well, for one, there's the question of whether LEGO's actions are coherent with that brand. If the Star Wars model is the product of an evil empire, why are they selling it? Her point is that such incoherent is not some marketing failure, but actually a deliberate way to fake credibility by attacking the company that it's promoting.
(Of course, even the core part "you can actually build whatever you want with LEGO" suggests that you need to buy their products to be creative. But that's what every company would claim, so that goes back to the issue of how you view the whole system.)
Maybe your politics are getting the best of you? Can't someone be against advertising and still enjoy the fruits of capitalism?
Personally, I hate ads. I hate being manipulated. And, I hate that corporations spend an insane amount of money every year just to get me to buy their stuff that I don't want - it just increases the price of the products that I do want.
If the issue was just the ads, playing with the bricks themselves wouldn't necessarily be bad, but that's what she implies.
> No wonder I feel guilty as I’m driving my children to see “The Lego Movie.” I should be taking them on a long hike or handing out aprons and baking cookies. But we aren’t doing those things; instead we spend our weekends hunched over expensive plastic bricks, and now we’re going to watch them on the big screen. I have filled my daughters’ empty minds with a blind devotion to an indifferent commercial empire.
The issue isn't just the ads, or just the expensive bricks, it's how the two come together to form a feedback loop. The kids enjoy playing with legos, so they want to see the movie. They see the movie, which makes them want to buy more bricks. Lego Movie 2 comes out and the process repeats. The main thing the author seems to dislike is manipulation.
Sure they could be better or more entertaining. But most ads are easily recognizable and easily ignored. As much as I get a similar reaction to being manipulated once I recognize the manipulation I can use the info for my advantage or to move on.
Maybe this is naive but without advertising how robust would the worlds economy be?
LEGO is not alone in this regard, but they do create wants out of nothing.
So, you have a child, and this child is happy. Then the child sees a LEGO set, the child wants it, and now the child has an unsatisfied want. Child gets LEGO set, set satisfies synthetic want, child is happy again, and welfare returns to its original state.
Now, you might argue that there is a net increase in welfare from start to finish, since the child may have learned something new or acquired new experiences. Ok, sure, but after the 4th or 5th set, you are going to see some diminishing returns. And in this regard, LEGO's interests and your interests are opposed.
As for creating wants ex nihilo, well, yeah, but only to the extent that it's true of any company that advertises at all. Entertainment and creation come right after food on a child's list of priorities, sometimes before; generally this is not a synthetic want. I'd rather know about good products like lego than take whatever dreck I stumble upon.
There will always be infinitely more things kids would like to have than you could possibly buy. So you'll have to deal with rejecting wishes anyway.
I still prefer them craving for a complicated LEGO model to craving for chocolate or TV shows.
As for the pink lego, there are balancing up and downsides there. I totally hate the gendered toy segregation, and Lego now goes along with it. But Lego didn't cause it, and by doing it too, they're probably getting more Lego in the hands of girls, which I consider a good thing.
So do something bad in order to achieve something good, or refuse the bad and thereby end up reinforcing it? By not having pink Lego, they'd unintentionally make Lego a boys-only toy. By making gender specific lego, they make lego a toy for everyone again (which it was before this stupid pink rash took over the toy industry).
I have also bought pink Playmobil (big Lego competitor in Germany, don't know about elsewhere) for my son.
I think people actually want to differentiate themselves from other people. Pink is just one of many ways of saying "I'm different/special".