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Nobody should feel sorry for him, I was the CTO of Motionloft during the first two years of the company, and before he started stealing from the company (as far as we know). He is/was the most selfish and delusional person I've ever met. I hope he ends up in jail for a really long time.

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Or perhaps gets the help and guidance and mentors he needs now that he's no longer able to get away with that behaviour?

Really? We have enough smart minded people that are responsible and willing to work hard. Why worry about rehabilitation for him? He doesn't deserve another shot at earning an investors trust... You must be kidding.

You realize you just called this guy delusional, and simultaneously you're saying you're qualified to decide who deserves another chance and who doesn't.

Yeah it's quite a high horse considering JP got canned for embezzling money from Motionloft.

Additionally "faceofboe", whom I don't know who you are... the stock certificate I have that was issued by Jon himself has recently been verified by our attorneys to be fake and invalid. I'm not really sure what embezzlement I could have committed, As the CTO, I never had direct access to any of our funds, I didn't have a checking account, a bank card, or the ability to spend the companies money, I'd love for you to show some details of your claims.

I don't think it's a good idea for you to make these sort of statements either.

I didn't get "canned" first of all. I left because Chris and I believed Jon was stealing from the company, but he blocked me from raising my concerns up to our investors citing that it would breach my contract to make communications with anyone outside the company.

The original stock certificates I received from Jon in 2011 have turned out to be completely fraud. Can you please elaborate on how anyone besides Jon Mills embezzled funds from the company? Also who is this anyhow? You can just say your name.

Maybe you should identify who you are and your claims against me. That's pretty ridiculous to post here without any supporting details.

Jail's not for dudes like that.

Yeah, justice is only for black people and scummy minorities. He broke the law and committed felonies. It's definitely for him.

US prisons are pretty far away from justice

Can't wait until his prison stint where his cherry anus gets "disrupted".

You should not be posting to HN.

This isn't the Yahoo! News comments section, please keep it civil.

sorry accidentally replied to you rather than parent comment

hey hey hey ain't nobody deserves that.

I'm just going to support this opinion as I felt in a fairly similar way to the parent comment and I'm a little disappointed to see you down voted.

I don't see what benefit sending this guy to jail provides other than a simple avenue for enacting vengeance on someone who behaved poorly. Worst case, he should have to repay all of his debts and money he swindled. He'll take whatever lessons from his mistakes that he may.

So the worst case penalty for fraud is possibly having to give back what you stole? Given a non zero chance of not getting caught, that makes fraud a positive expected value course of action.

If society didn't exist, maybe. But in real, functioning societies, people care about their standing, and being seen as a fraudster is not a positive outcome. If "being seen as a fraud and outcast for life" is a possible outcome, people in normal societies don't give that risk zero value. So it doesn't always require actually imprisoning someone to deter behavior. Keeping someone locked up in a cage is a pretty extreme sanction, both expensive and odious and best reserved for really rare cases where there is no other alternative. Usually that means violent crimes with no reasonable prospect of releasing the perpetrator without recidivism, in which case imprisonment is a last resort to protect society—Breivik type cases. Beyond that, imprisoning someone is prima facie evidence of failure, a knee-jerk reaction to not being able to run a financial (or other) system properly.

This doesn't sound like it's just fraud, but full on mental delusional stuff. In that case throwing him in jail is probably not going to help matters by itself, and he needs doctors. Ideally some mix of the two.

I've known people like this, luckily that didn't get backed, and it can get incredibly messy. Things like maxing credit cards, identity changes, disappearing to foreign countries. It's better for everyone in the long run that this gets sorted properly as he'll just emerge from prison desperate to get back and will do something worse.

How does this case sound any different than, say, Bernie Madoff?

On the face of it, it sounds like a much more blatant fraud than Dennis Kozlowski, the former Tyco CEO who served about 8 years in prison, or Bernie Ebbers (what is it with guys named "Bernie"?), who is still serving a 25 year sentence for defrauding WorldCom investors.

People stealing money and behaving erratically when it collapses around them isn't evidence of mental illness. Maybe he's nuttier than a squirrel hole, but right now, I don't see any reason to assume he's not just a criminal.

Got to say, your Madoff comparison is annoyingly good.

One main difference is Madoff wasn't alone. He needed the help of a group in on the conspiracy over a long period of time. Combined with the overall magnitude and the regulatory failures I'm much more persuaded Madoff had criminal intent. This case sounds a lot like he was lying to absolutely everyone all the time (and especially to those closest to him), not that he was trying to orchestrate some group conspiracy to fleece outsiders of their cash. The whole story isn't out yet, so maybe there is more, but it sounds to me like he's one of those people that genuinely believes that if you act rich you become it.

Forgive me - I wasn't speaking in general terms about what I believe should happen to any individual who commits fraud, which I think your reply presupposes.

Fraud is a leading indicator of a bubble popping. Everyone with a vested interest in a strong startup economy should want to see this behavior punished harshly. It won't stop the air from going out of the balloon but we'll have a softer landing if we all behave ethically.

As low as it seems to those of you commenting, I'd love to see Jon Mills sit in jail and NEVER join society again. That would be fine with me. I spent years of my life building Motionloft, and it was thrown away but this selfish asshole.

There are a lot more interesting things to come with this case, this is only the beginning. His doctor isn't the only one he has scammed.

Mentors? Who in their right mind would mentor a criminal like this?

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Honesty and candidness is refreshing, I think.

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