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Comment by matthewmacleod | Hacker News Reader

I wouldn't quite go that far. While The Guardian drives me nuts sometimes, especially regarding UK politics, it's markedly less nakedly evil than the Daily Mail. See the recent NSA revelations for good, high-quality, pushing-the-boundaries journalism, which we'd all miss were it gone.

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Everything is less evil than the Daily Mail so that's not much of a comparison.

I've given up reading the news in the UK. It's either biased towards the agenda of the paper or terribly depressing. Both unfortunately sell very well. I've even got rid of my television. Life is good.

I guess. Though I'd argue that the UK's media outlets are actually among the least consistently unusable. At least for bare-bones here-are-the-facts reporting, the BBC is pretty useful.

In any case, I don't know how feasible it is to have a "non-biased" newspaper that pushes actual journalism.

The BBC however have very selective reporting.

It probably isn't. I was hoping WikiNews would end up being that to be honest.

The BBC is pretty left leaning. I expect the vast majority of BBC workers read the Guardian.

The BBC is accused of being left-leaning by right-wingers, and right-leaning by left-wingers. I suspect you're right, and it's slightly left-leaning in practice, and I'd argue that this reflects reality.

So they published stolen state secrets, and put people in danger. Yay them!

Makes 'phone hacking' seem lame in comparison.

It's substantially more complex than that, and you know it. Don't trivialise an important issue.

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