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As a counterpoint, I run web forums and at times have encountered trolls. When they've been banned (at the behest of the vast majority of the community) some of them have made me their target.

Aside from death threats (which I dismiss as joking), I've been signed up to hundreds of porn and adult mailing lists and sites, I've had reports of my photo and vague details being used on lots of "m4m" casual sex adverts, and I've had the "here's a streetview of where you live, we know where you live" type intimidation.

I'm really glad that the efforts of a few trolls doesn't really show on Google because my name is fairly common and there are some people who share the name who have achieved some fame or popularity. The result of the top-ranking stuff means the work of the trolls is nowhere to be seen.

If I had a unique name I've no doubt that it would have been trashed thanks to other people.

My point is simply: You may think you are in control of your online identity, but you are not.

Sorry you've been harassed like that. I agree that I would have a hard time dealing with that kind of situation.

I think having a strong web presence myself means that the work of any would-be trolls would struggle to make it onto the front page -- though I do ask that would-be trolls reading this not try to prove me wrong, thank you. :)

That's fine if you have insanely high PageRank. If some jackass with considerably higher PR decides to troll you, there's pretty much nothing you can do about it.

> I do not think it's a bad thing to be able to be Googled; what's a bad thing is to let yourself be a jerk online

Ehhh, it's not always that.

For awhile I was big into writing speculative/science fiction on a popular writing site. Years later after reading some of my submissions I have to say I'm extremely happy that they were done under a pseudonym :)

They were absolutely terrible.

My favorite local video store (quaint, I know) organizes films by director and it's always encouraging to walk through there and see that even great directors sometimes make terrible movies.

Fair enough. :)

There are places for pseudonymity. My name here isn't my real name, I should note, though it probably wouldn't be hard to trace it to my identity.

It isn't as easy for someone to Google and find an HN comment I made, but I still try to keep things clean here.

Please read this essay: "I've Got Nothing To Hide" and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy

http://familyrights.us/bin/white_papers-articles/nothing_to_...

I've read it. I have a copy of the PDF on my hard drive.

I called out Meetup's policy explicitly as a privacy problem, and I'm not arguing for reduced overall privacy over any aspect of someone's life they decide they'd prefer to keep private.

What exactly did you mean for me to learn from reading that paper?

That anonymity is important and is not about "being a jerk on the internet" and getting away with it.

From what I read of that document, he says "People have these arguments against privacy, but they're wrong." But I get to the end of the article, and it never seemed to me that he really fleshed out the "why."

I still think it's right to support privacy. But I'm not arguing against a right to privacy. I'm arguing that if I want to put my name out there, I should be able to.

I'm confused why my right to want to promote myself on the Internet is being questioned (and downvoted above!!) on HN of all places.

If you have nothing to hide it's fine. Well it's not. Stalkers and bullies love to find informations wether it's shameful or not. It makes their task easier.

This argument proves too much. Living your life normally, in general, helps stalkers and bullies. The only thing that doesn't "help" them (in one way) is making your own life more difficult for their sake... which "helps" them more directly, by making them feel acknowledged and dominant.

People should not have to compensate for the actions of broken people. Celebrities know how to be functional in this situation: share everything, and get restraining orders.

> "People should not have to compensate for the actions of broken people."

Right... I shouldn't have to lock my door, I shouldn't have to avoid dark alleys, I should be able to carry as much cash as I please... but I live in an unjust reality in which it is frequently prudent to take basic precautions.

I looked into getting a restraining order once, after a petty argument online (before I learned better and began using pseudonyms while discussing anything of interest) turned extremely sour. Turns out that since I was never in a sexual relationship with the other person, the state I was currently living in limited my options to "suck it up", or "get a CCW". The general concept of a restraining order is not universally recognized.

(Furthermore, restraining orders are not preventive, they only provide a form of retaliation after the fact. They won't stop somebody from hiding in a bush outside your front door, they'll just allow you to have the police slap them with a restraining order violation after you discover them in your bush. Appealing to restraining orders to protect you is like appealing to burglary laws to protect you. You still need to lock up your home...)

I know people in reality sometimes have to of course, which is why I am not for real name policies. But I do want the problems to be fixed properly if possible.

Appreciate you bringing up the flipside.

Out of curiosity, what sites would you say have been constructive?

My intuition is that StackExchange would probably be good if you're knowledgeable in esoteric/lucrative fields, whereas most people probably don't use their real name on reddit (depending on the subreddit, perhaps), but I'm interested to hear your experience.

I'm on StackExchange, yes. I've also posted to forums that cover my field expertise where I (at least used to) answer a lot a questions.

Honestly I don't know how people find me. I just state my opinions often on the topics I care about. And at least some of the time people respond favorably to those opinions.

I don't mind a bit of both worlds on this.. my real name is pretty common, not so common that you could never find me with my real name, but on the flip side, my alias is pretty specific to me... if you search for my first or last name, with my online handle, you're pretty likely to find me.

Most of the first page of google results for my alias are me... combined with my name, you get even more. I think adopting an online alias is kind of important, but then again, I started off in the BBS days with dialup boards that were pretty much all local to you.