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It certainly doesn't seem to follow that "manly man who takes out the trash and fixes the car, roof, and does the lawn" has to be a dick in any manner as you put it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/14/men-wom... reports that men spend 10 more hours than women doing paid work at work while women spend six more hours than men doing household work. That's not being a dick either, and is considered manly by many.

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Imagine man doing same amount of paid work* as his woman, and their home not having any car, roof and lawn. What would the manly man do? Lay on coach and drink beers?

* actual pay may differ both ways but that's not where we look when comparing effort.

What someone does at home is probably limited by available time, and not limited by lack of things to do.

Given what you've stated, I would hope the manly man would build them a roof for their home.

I still don't see any requirement or suggestion that being manly somehow implies dickish behavior at home or with his partner.

When all you have is 35 m^2 (400 sq ft) flat there is a simple limit on amount of manly things you can do there. Once everything works, no more drilling, repairing or building is necessary.

But house chores are still unlimited, to be repeated every week.

Um, household chores are not unlimited, and there are many that are considered manly, and still, still, you don't respond to my repeated statement, nothing about doing manly chores, or being manly necessitates being a dick.

I explicitly meant not doing a fair share of chores when I talked about "being a dick".

WRT chores that are manly: Which are? Let's assume that car[s] either absent or don't need fixing and there's no lawn.

I am not going to prescribe what chores are manly and panty wetting when we disagree on premise of what "fair share" means. And yes, you can redefine the problem such that you think there are no obvious manly chores left in your apartment, but I think that is left up to each couple.

I think you should reconsider your phrasing "dick" as well as your concept of "fair share". Both appear pretty sexist and derogatory to me.

Have a good evening.

Maybe "dick" was too harsh. Maybe we can agree that labour divide is hard and when one side tries to only do things they perceive as manly (when other side doesn't limit herself) he may run out of things to do.

Almost. I agree dick was too harsh, and in fact, it was shaming. And I do think that if one "side" is not contributing resentment can build up that no one wants. I do take issue with the notion of "sides" and I think it should be left to each couple, working as a couple to determine what fair contributions are, and shouldn't be left to popular culture pundits to declare that this is the era of 50/50 sharing and only regressive neanderthals would think otherwise.

I'm out, I have to do a Costco run.

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