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Hitler was TIME magazine man of year, and for a decent while in America Fascism was mildly popular (circa 1930's). Its strange looking back on a that time (Post Holocaust and WW2). American Newspapers applauded the works of fascists claiming, "They got the trains to run on time."

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Being Man of the Year isn't necessarily an honor. From Wikipedia:

  Person of the Year (formerly Man of the Year) is an annual 
  issue of the United States newsmagazine Time that features 
  and profiles a person, group, idea or object that "for 
  better or for worse...has done the most to influence the 
  events of the year."

2001 title should have gone to OBL then.

"Though we spent hours debating the pros and cons of naming Osama bin Laden, it ultimately became easy to dismiss him," said managing editor Jim Kelly. "He is not a larger-than-life figure with broad historical sweep ... he is smaller than life, a garden-variety terrorist whose evil plan succeeded beyond his highest hopes."

They chose Giuliani instead.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/12/23/giuliani.time/

"Smaller than life?" What does that mean? For worse, those attacks have had lasting implications everywhere. Sounds like they realised they'd be slammed really hard if they stuck to accuracy so they backed down with some handy-wavy nonsense about being brave.

If their bravery had caused a proper response, similar to how Norway responded to that mass-shooting, then it'd be worthwhile to note. But despite their bravery, that "garden-variety terrorist" has succeeded in scaring people into allowing their government to expand powers.

And the dismissal that it doesn't matter because he didn't think it'd work out - that's just idiotic. Do we disqualify scientists from the other Nobel prizes because "they really didn't think this experiment would discover anything"?

It means they were writing for their U.S. audience at the time, who wanted to see Bin Laden put down and diminished.

Hitler was Time's Man of the Year in 1938, based on his foreign policy maneuvering at that time. Despite the much greater enormity and historical impact of the Holocaust, he wasn't put there in 1945 or any time since.

Time editors are not going to expose themselves to that level of social anger. No matter how many times they say "Man of the Year" is not a reward, it still has that connotation in a lot of people's minds.

Article was written in 2001, at which point it was hard to foresee the lasting implications.

Also, he didn't scare people. US government did by waiving the terrorism banner for all these years.

So, in your opinion, it was an idiotic injustice that Osama bin Laden was robbed of being Time's Man of the Year.

I don't think it's an "injustice" and I don't think "robbed" is the right word either. I'm unaware of anyone I know that really cares what some magazine writes.

I'm just pointing out their terrible use of rhetoric and lack of logic.

Yes, it should have. Time Magazine didn't have the audacity to, and settled for Giuliani.

OBL's impact wasn't that big in year one. It was huge over the next decade though. How many million man years have we spent in airport security lines because of him?

Right. Stalin was also featured in 1940.

> for a decent while in America Fascism was mildly popular

Where now politics standing in staunch opposition to liberals, communists and socialists with an emphasis on a ultra nationalism and military power, is thankfully a thing of the distant past.

Oh.

;-)

(I am joking, I'm aware that there are significant differences, particularly regarding the role of the state).

See this huge American Nazi Party gathering at Madison Square Gardens: http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=7735 [1939]

> mildly popular

Not that mild.

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