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Just to make the call to action a little more direct, the donation link is here:

http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html

Since PayPal won't accept donations from where I live (Japan), here is an alternative way of donating through the Calgary Computer Shop:

https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order

Having just donated I would like to say that the man pages are wonderful. I like them so much that I have a oman alias and made a quick (and dirty) script to fetch them.

https://github.com/ninjin/ppod/tree/master/hck/openbsd_manpa...

Try them out when coding C or when writing portable shell-scripts, they are a blessing. There is also the official web interface:

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi

Huge +1 to the quality of OBSD man pages being awesome

If the maintainers of that page are around here, I suggest putting some visualization of how close you are to the goal on there. It's amazing how much of a psychological motivator a bar filling up is.

This is a great point. I work on tools that would be perfect for this: Crowdtilt[0] and our open-source tool Crowdhoster[1]. This situation specifically reminds me of a Crowdtilt campaign that launched here on HN after the Internet Archive burned down[2], so I would be very happy to help.

[0]: https://www.crowdtilt.com/

[1]: http://www.crowdhoster.com/

[2]: https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/please-help-the-internet...

Somebody from the Foundation said on misc that they were going to do that.

from the First or Second one?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Are you working for the Mule?

Wrong license: http://www.mulesoft.org/licensing-mule-esb

Jokes seldon get my approval on HN but this on does.

I believe my terrible pun will make you cry, sis.

LOL :)

Thanks, just donated, I use openssh every day so it just makes sense.

Wow. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had no idea OpenSSH fell under the OpenBSD umbrella! It certainly makes very good sense for me to donate now!

Most FOSS projects with the name pattern OpenXYZ fall under the OpenBSD umbrella in one way or the other.

Doubtful, it's a really common pattern (opencv, opencollada,OpenOffice, opensolaris etc etc)

Note: OpenXYZ, not OpenSomethingSomething. Anyway, OpenBGPD, OpenOSPFD, OpenNTPD, OpenSMTPD, OpenSSH, OpenIKED. OK, so it's more like OpenABCD and I should probably have written "many" instead of "most". :)

  [scott_s@local ~] history | wc -l
     500
  [scott_s@local ~] history | grep ssh | wc -l
     191

Donated.

Grep has a -c flag :)

    $ history | grep -c ssh
        380

Donated.

Great point. OpenSSH is rock solid and it and underpins many, many other projects and businesses.

I don't think it's going too far to say that companies making heavy use of (i.e. profit from) OpenSSH are obligated to donate.

many do by employing the openssh maintainers to do that. it's the best way to contribute to openssh without contributing to theo.

The shell history really ought to have some sort of de-dupe feature. Too many lines of history get taken up by duplicate entries!

Use HISTCONTROL=erasedups in your .bashrc

http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#index-H...

try adding setopt HIST_SAVE_NO_DUPS to your .zshrc

you could also have a look at HIST_FIND_NO_DUPS and HIST_IGNORE_ALL_DUPS (more options at http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/Options.html )

If you still use bash, now is a good time to upgrade to zsh

'Upgrade' and a sourceforge link don't usually go together :-/

I'm a zsh user but am surprised that you guys are still using sourceforge instead of github.

If you use bash, have a look at HISTIGNORE and HISTCONTROL.

Just donated to support the project as well.

Yes, did too. We need things like this to counter the evil clowns that try to take over our internet.

Donated, thanks for openssh the reminder.

Same here. Donated as well.

Maybe they should rename to OpenSSH Foundation then ...

There seems to be a trend that most *BSDs are having donation problems and missed 2013 budgets.

For example [1], [2]

I encourage all to donate to our BSD friends. We all benefit from their work.

[1] https://www.freebsdfoundation.org [2] http://www.netbsd.org/donations/

Makes me wonder, though. There are plenty of fairly large commercial offerings based on those systems. The corporations using them (e.g. Sony, Apple) could probably easily afford a million in donations.

The could, but the license leaves them equally able to say "fuck you very much" on donations or code.

That is the wonders of the BSD license and others that follow the same principles, profit for free from the work of others without giving anything back.

> That is the wonders of the BSD license and others that follow the same principles, profit for free from the work of others without giving anything back.

Does any Open Source license require monetary donations from companies using the code?

Sony and Apple and a lot of other companies using BSD licensed software DO give back -- in the form of code and employing developers to work the projects.

I'd be interested in a list of software that Apple and Sony contributed back to FreeBSD and that is in the ports, do you have such a list? It looks like that this is a very asymmetric relationship.

For Apple, there's quite a lot if you're willing to grovel through commits, but at the moment nothing is bigger than Clang/LLVM -- a large chunk of the core team is directly employed by Apple, and with FreeBSD 10 Clang is directly incorporated into the core system. Apple has, at various times, employed other FreeBSD core committers directly. They very quietly have done a lot to support the project.

Sony, IIRC, employed some Japanese committers who were working on ACPI at one point.

A few trees don't make a forest.

Wow, GPL zealots sure are direct with their dishonesty these days.

The FBSD goal for 2011 was 400k (raised 460k). 2012 was for 500k goal. 2013 is 1M goal.

They've raised almost 750k the last time that page was updated..

Off topic, bluekitten it seems you've been hellbanned and your message show as dead. Looking at your comment history, I can't imagine what triggered it, so if you see this it might be a good idea to send an email to pg.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6939835

A more useful answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7079380

Done. Reading this is sad.

Thanks done, OpenSSH is an indispensable tool.

Is there any way I can order them some LED lighting gear?

Just donated as well.

Thanks. Made a donation.

Asian donation is negligible?

I don't think so. The foundation probably doesn't have anyone anywhere in Asia with a bank account that can receive Paypal donations. The idea is to save transaction costs, not limit donations to certain parts of the world.

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