It seems not to be active again for his lib: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/graphs/contributors
For people who don't know, bnoordhuis exiled himself 2 months ago after the bashing the node.js community imposed him for not merging a pull about gender. It was a shame because he was in the top 3 contributors. (all details: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015)
That sucks. This is why we can't have nice things.
I get the feeling (and please tell me if I'm reading too much into this) that you take exception to the pull request and what many people would call political correctness.
https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568...
I don't think it was a dodgy call. I think people went unforgivably ape-shit, gained effectively nothing, and made someone else feel bad enough that they stopped contributing to an important project.
> I think people went unforgivably ape-shit
I'm not sure people went "ape-shit". There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite, a lot more so than the normal internet discussion.
>they stopped contributing to an important project
That's a shame
Except where everyone called for him to be fired, and publicly slandered and demonized him on Twitter, github, HN, and in blogs.
But apart from that, yes, a model of civility.
There was an announcement from the node people saying that had he been an employee, he would have been fired on the spot. Not retrained, mediated, facilitated or whatever. Nothing inclusive, just 'put a foot wrong, bam, fired'. There was no profanity, but it was a pretty offensive and poorly-thought out response from Joyent, a professional entity.
It was a terribly-managed situation, and while I certainly think his commit refusal was wrong, after a comment like that (the subtext is 'i personally hate this guy, froth froth froth'), I can't blame the guy for leaving.
Not the grandparent, but I don't take objection to things like gender-neutral pronouns (I try to do it myself if I can incorporate it in a way that doesn't make the sentence feel weird). I don't know how easy it is for someone in his position to merge things on Github, how important following protocol is etc...
But what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is when someone does something that can be interpreted in a malicious manner, someone interprets in that (worst kind of) manner, and then dozens of people fuel the fire with "I am outraged, too!!!" without adding anything more to the issue or debate. Then by the time the 'offending party' gets around to respond, the damage has already been done, the slander has already spread like a wildfire, and everyone has already made up their mind about what went down based mostly on wild speculations from third parties from one or the other (or third) sides.
https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/blob/master/js/dropdown.js
Key node members fighting amongst themselves is pointless news?
Or how about Joyent saying they would sack Ben even though he didn't work for them?
Ben rejected a third party pull request, Isaac commited a change related to the pull request, Ben rejected Isaac's commit because Isaac broke the commit rules by not getting sign-off before committing.
Ben walks away after getting libelled by Joyent and virtually fired (http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun) while Isaac gets to go on and make coin from NPM...
"Libel"? What did Bryan write that was a false statement? There were some unkind judgements, but I didn't see any factually untrue statements in it.
If not, then as it turns out, your claim that Bryan committed libel is itself libel, as it impugns his character by promoting a falsehood (ie, that he committed libel).
Don't use words you don't understand.
For a period absolutely everything, whether at all even distantly related or not, was somehow tied to "because 9/11" or "what about 9/11". Not because people actually thought it was relevant, but because politicians can't pass up a chance to grandstand by invoking something that people have strong opinions on.
I thought it was a succinct way of conveying the point here. "But what about the node.js gender incident??" isn't as widespread and not as big a problem as the "but what about 9/11???" crowd, but suffers from a sort of isomorphic logic.
izs' ignorance to this principle is on par with, say, someone refusing to change a gendered pronoun because of its perceived triviality.
Bend over backwards to forgive and explain all you want, I guess.
- Keeping women out of tech.
- 9/11.I got to the original comment and rolled my eyes that I halfway knew someone would bring it up today. Rather than dismiss it, though, somehow Isaac found a way to make it worse. I should start invoking the holocaust when discussions aren't going the way I want, apparently.
And yes, the sitation with regards to that commit is unfortunate, but I'm not sure what any of us can do about it beyond wait for someone to get over themselves and start contributing again.
>I don't look at this site much, because it turns people into jerks. Contact me somewhere else.
It's like he's throwing stones in a glass house and then complaining of all the vandals...
And, ironically, this is on his profile: "I don't look at this site much, because it turns people into jerks."
This is coming from someone who remembers Rudy Giuliani's brain being replaced by a broken record player during his presidential campaign. It took way too long for me to get what you were trying to convey.
[I don't know either of you but I think that's a sad story.]
And it had about as much to do with this announcement as Ben's departure from Node last year.
Again, no need to be agressive, it's not that idiotic to ping the past when we talk about the futur.
People outside a team rarely have much insight into the day to day relationships. That's just how it works. That's what a "team" is.