Demonstration by Indiana Jones of how determination is really the only difference between the two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc
Thank you, all the same, for helping me boil down this argument to its very bones. I'm talking about killing; y'all are talking about guns -- but there doesn't seem to be a general recognition of the distinction between the two. I've flailed in the direction of recognizing that distinction before, but thinking about your response was just what I needed to put my finger squarely on it. Thanks again! I greatly appreciate that.