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The author is missing the point.

The whole premise of Rails is convention over configuration. Build a set of tools optimized for the average application following "best practices". And guess what? Rails is still the best framework for producing the average Web application using 2006 best practices.

Now it's 2013. The average application server starts with Rails, then throws away ERB, routing, form_for, and the entire MVC lifecycle and slaps Ember on top of it. Technology has changed a lot in seven years (mobile, javascript, blah blah blah), and more importantly, it's only getting more client side

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exactly what rails has become to me. Models and API controllers that respond_to json. The client does the rest with Backbone, handlebars, css3 animations, ...

Same. I feel that for apps that are mostly server-side, Rails and Django are the way to go, especially CRUD apps. In the quickly emerging client-side app market, they often serve as an overly complex JSON api that requires too much configuration IMO.

While I like what Meteor is attempting to do by merging the client and server into one framework, I feel their approach is somewhat haphazard. Using it left a bad taste in my mouth, though t be fair I haven't done much beyond building a basic app for evaluation purposes. I'm currently evaluating Derby.js, and so far I'm liking it much more.

That said, convention has yet to be established for clientside apps, so either framework could fail. I do think that there is a niche for a framework that provides both the server and the client, however.

what I would like to see is a Rails type framework specifically geared towards building APIs. I like asset pipeline, give me that, I like gems, I like ActiveRecord, but take views, helpers and all that jazz. I will do that on the frontend thankyouverymuch

It exists. Check out the rails-api project on GitHub

wow this is really great. thanks for sharing.. had no idea someone was working on this already.

I can't think of any sites I frequent that use Ember. Please, where is the proof? I would like to see the numbers.

http://bustle.com/ is a wonderful example of a consumer website that uses Ember. Square's payment dashboard is a great example of a web app that uses Ember. Tilde also maintains a list of users that wish to publicize their use of Ember: http://emberjs.com/ember-users/

Also there is this blog interviewing people/companies using Ember http://emberenos.com/

It's not just Ember, it's all the front end frameworks.

It would be great if Rails had a good solution for Meteor-like real time apps.

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