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> there's going to be significant mousing around anyways

Which is one of the many reasons why people (including myself) don't consider IDEs as a nicer tool for the job.

> but ide's are much nicer tools for development

Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.

Don't get me wrong, ide's are terrible, they're just better than anything else we have right now. And I'm someone who has programmed with vim and plugins, bash and friends, etc. for 10+ years, so it's not like I've only used ide's. Writing code can be fine with the more minimalist approach, but ide's are much better for reading and navigating previously written code.

> Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.

? Of course, it's just my opinion.

Here's a friendly piece of advice: distinguish claims that are opinion or personal preference from statements of fact.

This is mundane: "IDEs work much better for me."

This is controversial (and probably silly): "IDEs are the best."

Maybe the intent is obvious, but it wasn't to me and at least one other poster.

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