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What makes them suck so much? The Lenovo Yoga is a damn fine device if you ask me.

I actually agree. My roommate bought one and I'm lusting after it. But I would count Lenovo as the exception rather than the rule, here.

I'm strongly considering getting the new high res Yoga.

But even Lenovo has a bad reputation compared to the fruit company, I mean, they do ok for value, but the hardware can be flaky.

Their customer services sucks. When I bought my last Thinkpad, I had to buy it 3 times, over the course of two weeks before they finally built it and wait a month to have it shipped once the order actually went through. It was a solid machine (except for the speakers and screen), but I'll never buy another device from them. Instead, I'm typing this up on a fruit company device.

I had the exact opposite experience. When I chatted with a service rep, not only did I get help with the configuration, but she was friendly, sent me a personalized email with the details, helped me with the purchase process, and even gave me a discount because I didn't want Windows (I prefer Linux).

And to be honest, most of the help was unsolicited, but was friendly and helpful so I accepted it. My experience buying a ThinkPad was overwhelmingly positive, and I also love the machine (I ponied up for the 1080p screen, which is fanstastic).

I had a different experience: I killed my mainboard on my T61 via overclocking the GPU and they replaced it without any questions asked.

I've not had any problems myself buying new machines for my company but personally I tend to buy 2-3 year old ThinkPads off a eBay. They are less than 20% of the retail cost and are in perfect condition always.

I'm typing this on a T400 Core 2 2.4 Duo, Radeon HD, 8GB RAM, 1440x900 screen, 9-cell unit with 3G card built in and windows 7 x64 pro license sticker purchased in absolutely perfect unused condition for £145 (!). The battery had done charge 11 cycles to give you an idea. Chucked a Samsung 840 Pro in it for £102 and it's a perfect machine.

I have 2 spare ones (T61's) lying around as well so I always have a spare handy.

This puts me in a better position than a new Lenovo or fruit purchaser.

I'm a firm believer of letting someone else pay for the immediate depreciation in value! :)

Uhm I searched on ebay and found it for 199€ (+49€ for 8GB and +29€ for UMTS so a bit more). The seller seems to have many of them, unfortunately it's in Germany (i'm in Europe too but I want a QWERTY keyboard)

You have to wait for them to turn up patiently. They do every month or so, usually when some corporation has a stock clear out.

Your best bet doesn't even have 1080p display for a 14" screen!

It has (1600x900)..but the new 5" phones have full HD screens for some time.

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