Comment by lwhalen | Hacker News Reader

Comment by lwhalen | Hacker News Reader

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So... what's the point of this article? Young man who:

* quits HS early, has multiple opportunities to get equivalent degree but doesn't

* quits his first job without another lined up

* 'hangs around' for a couple of years, but somehow...

* lands a steady (albeit crappy) job at Jiffy Lube, yet...

* doesn't bother showing up for his first or second day because 'reasons',

is discovering that life, in fact, is hard. How is this a societal problem, or anything other than 'lazy kid can't keep a job because of his own personal problems'?

<actually read the final section after posting this>

just to update, it appears that by the end of the article, our 'hero' discovers that showing up to an interview early, dressed in suit and tie, with a warm smile and firm handshake, does indeed stack the deck in your favor. Continuing to show up early and do the job you've been hired for means they'll continue to pay you. Shocking expose by WaPo right there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the guy found work by the end of the article, and I hope his attitude changes and he reaps nothing but success. However, up until that point it appears that the majority of his troubles are of his own making. I still fail to see how the above bullet points are society's problem, which seems to be the point the WaPo article dances around.

1)"his neighborhood's unemployment rate 16.3 percent"

2)Chris began his new job. Eight dollars an hour, 40 hours a week, $16,640 a year.<> An income of $11,490 for a person is defined a the poverty threshold.

3) She is 52 years old, and after 10 years of working as an attendant at a nursing home, a job that paid her $7 an hour when she began and $9.75 an hour when she was let go, she wonders if she will ever work again.

4)He thought he had a job as a stocker at K-mart, but on the day he was to start training, he didn't have bus fare, and that was that.

I see multiple things which are "societal problem" in the article.

"lazy kid can't keep a job because of his own personal problems"

Unless you have gone through a long bout of unemployment, where you get rejected on a daily basis, I would say you are not qualified to comment on the effect of such a episode on a persons morale and psychological well-being of this person. What you see as laziness just might be depression.

I am not completely justifying the person in the article. But I tend to view these things through a more compassionate eye after I went through a brief period of unemployment.

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"What you see as laziness just might be depression."

Man, I've been there, and that was exactly what I was feeling when I read the article. The hopelessness. It's a vicious, killing cycle.

Just about everything in this kid's environment and experience was negative. Yes, we can rise above, but it's really hard to see that there's even somewhere to go when you haven't seen it in your life.

Unemployment of 16.3 percent. Does that mean that "they" are lazy? Or are there other more fundamental factors?

I'd ask what the other 83.7 percent are doing right, and seek to emulate them rather than just sit on my duff and whine.

edit: maybe I'm predisposed to being 'less compassionate' about stuff like this because I have indirect experience seeing a similar pattern with... close family members. $family_member had all the same or very similar 'chances' as I did in life vis a vis education, upbringing, etc, but instead chose a drug-based lifestyle leeching off parents, friends, etc. Said family member, in their mid 20s, is unemployed, living with parents, indulging in all sorts of recreational chemistry, and is predisposed to whine about 'how unfair' it all is, 'how depressed the job market is', and so forth as the reason they can't find a job, can't keep steady work when they do find one, etc. In this personal, anecdotal case, the problem isn't their environment, it's them. I see similar patterns in the WaPo story: even if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you still get your butt into work the next day. No whining, no excuses. It might not be the Greatest Job Ever (tm), but it's better (IMHO) than sitting around leeching off family.

@lwhalen

I am not really disagreeing with you. I have also met a lot of people like this.

I was trying to point out 1) How it has become really hard to work your way out of poverty with an entry level job these days. 2) How a life of constant failure and lack of guidance leads to personality trait which seems to almost predisposed towards failure.

"even if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you still get your butt into work the next day. No whining, no excuses. It might not be the Greatest Job Ever (tm), but it's better (IMHO) than sitting around leeching off family."

This shows a good work ethic in you, a strong sense of values and I agree with it and admire it. But having raised in a tightly-knit family with no financial issues, I wonder how I would have turned out if I had grown up in the a family like the one mentioned in the article.

Try reading it again, this time without reducing a persons life into a bullet-point list of what he did and didn't do. As other replies are pointing out — it's the whole situation from day one that creates a situation like that if Chris'. If you think you can solve that by saying its because of laziness, you really ought to read up on how people have been made to change throughout history: by being given a fair chance to succeed. How many times have you risen from the ashes, yourself?

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