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But then you have to live in Texas; even Austin still has some of that icky Texas non planning left in it, as well as dumpster divers everywhere, something I never saw in the Bay Area.

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Texan currently living in SF here. You'd be hard-pressed to convince me that Austin or any other major city in Texas is dirtier or grungier than SF[1]. I've gotten used to it now, but SF really is an amazingly dirty place. Going back to San Antonio or Austin is literally a breath of fresh air compared to here.

[1] You said Bay Area, but lets at least try to compare apples to apples.

Texas can be pretty grungy (downtown Dallas) and is fairly sterile suburban when dirt isn't involved. Austin core is quite nice, but the poverty is just weird: there are no obvious homeless people, but plenty of people living in their cars. San Antonia is also a nice city in its core.

I would never live in Texas again because of the heat, as well as the values even in liberal Austin. Also, I don't like to drive everywhere.

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