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I suspect that the only countries that are NOT secretly doing something like this fall into two groups:

• Those who make no secret of it.

• Those who don't have the technology to do it.

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Or politicians are so corrupt they don't want to be found out...

Like, Brazil (for example, when our intelligence agency DID spy on suspected corrupt politicians, everyone involved with the investigation was fired, and all related investigations got closed, much to unhappiness of the population)

Fascinating. Do you have any links to articles describing these events in Brazil?

It is... very extensive and lots of tangled stuff (there was even Brazil-Italy government spying it seems...)

But you can find most information under the case that was forcibly closed (Operação Satiagraha) and the names of the protected criminal (Daniel Dantas) and the fired chief of investigation (Protógenes Queiroz)

And the Germans. The Germans haven't been party to most of the post-WWII spying, if I understand geopolitics correctly.

The war wasn't over when the preparations for Germany's new secret service began. The material collected about the Soviets survived the end of the war because it was hidden (on microfilm) in sealed canisters buried in the German Alps, with the intent to side with the Americans and start spying on the Soviets again... The plan totally worked. To make it even better, the organization gobbled up high-profile Nazis who wanted to avoid prosecution like nobodies business. Even today, whenever someone wants to take a closer look at the people who work(ed) there, documents vanish and nobody knows a damn thing.

Then there is the entire StaSi. Of course they lost, so we get to point fingers at them and declare them the bad guys.

Germany may have strong privacy laws, but our three branches of secret services are exempt in various ways. Don't kid yourself. We are most likely right up there with France.

Well, looks like I was the fool:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-acc...

I do not believe that Geopolitics is anticommutative, that is

    Eastern Germany spying on Western Germany + Western Germany spying on Eastern Germany !=0

But I never really looked at the group aspect of international relations.

Where did you get that idea? Germany spends something like half a billion every year on signals intelligence.

It's all relative. The US spends some $75 billion: http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/07/news/economy/nsa-surveillanc... . I don't think Germany's budget will go a long way towards sweeping up global communications and analyzing them.

They also spend on their military a tiny fraction of what we spend on ours. Would you thus claim that there's no German army?

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