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I've done some research before upvoting this. I thought whowhatwhy.com would be some kind of conspiracy site, but they just do investigative journalism. They are usually featured in Salon.com.

http://www.salon.com/topic/whowhatwhy/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Baker

Also, it's known that the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coor...

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Eh, I'm with you right down to the point in the article where they start talking about this company Craft International who trained law enforcement snipers, and oh by the way were also at the Boston Marathon carrying backpacks with "markings resembling what was seen on an exploded backpack image released by the FBI."

Insinuating something both totally unrelated and highly conspiratorial is not how good investigative journalism works, and unfortunately that sort of slant takes away from my ability to fairly judge the facts of the piece.

That said, to be clear, I do appreciate the research you put in, and thanks for being thoughtful in your upvotes - just thought I'd offer that part of the article as a counterpoint.

But how can this be true?!

tptacek just told us [1]:

> nobody is going to shoot you and your friends in the head for marching around

and

> They won't even point firehoses at you, or sic dogs on you. You are freer than Americans have been at virtually any other point in our country's history

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5987208

I didn't see a listing of Occupiers shot in the head. Could you link me to that, please?

Occupy Oakland, as memory serves. A vet no less.

Ah, yes. Scott Olsen. Thank you.

Well everyone that's not a sheeple knows that tptacek is a shill for the government.

Given that tptacek is a shill for the US government and the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's safe to ignore tptacek.

Please continue to make valuable contributions to this community, brymaster.

> created: 23 minutes ago

Yeah, nice try tptacek. Continue the psyops

"cjambassador" means, presumably, "circle jerk ambassador".

Some sort of idiotic form of hyperbolic satire from reddit which does nothing but cause strife and shut down discussion. I thought this guy was hellbanned yesterday.

But tptacek was actually losethos all along!

What a twist!

Oh God, HN is turning into Kuro5hin.

Also, I'm old.

Interesting :-) But I still do think it's a good idea for all of us to cool off before we jump to any conclusions based on things posted by new members with links to websites few of us had heard about before, even if these websites are not just conspiracy sites.

There is a lot of anger going around in here these days - and rightfully so - but it also attracts more radical comments with less convincing comparisons to totalitarian police states and it attracts a lot of hatred against Americans.

Just look at some of the comments to this post or the post yesterday about a girl who was jailed when ABC enforcement thought she bought a beer or the post a couple of days ago about a dog that was killed while its owner was arrested for filming a police raid.

The US is a big country, and we will be able to hear these stories every day if we want to. Right now, a lot of people really want to see stories that "demonstrate" that America is a police state. It kind of suits our mood.

Well that definitely justifies upvoting a speculative conspiracy theory to the front page of Hacker News.

Given that the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's 100% believable that the FBI would murder protesters.

I wish the sheeple could see the US for what it really is: literally Nazi Germany. People like us here on HN and reddit understand what's really going on, unlike the sheeple.

    0. throwaway HN id
    1. unwarranted extreme historical references
    2. use of the word "sheeple" on a superior tone referencing the HN and reddit crowds as some kind of "elite" that knows better than the other sheeple

I'd say "gg, man!", but I don't fully get what's your game. But I'll upvote you just for good humor :)

I think the clue might be in the username; cj has a fairly specific meaning on reddit, but saying the word on HN will get the comment [dead]ed.

The documents don't say that the FBI was planning this. They say a third party was. The FBI redacted who that third party was. I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet.

Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

No. Conspiring to commit murder is definitely not protected by the First Amendment. And even fantasizing openly, which should be protected as long as no attempt is made to act on the fantasy, has tended to get people locked up in recent years.

> Conspiring to commit murder is definitely not protected by the First Amendment.

A charge of conspiracy requires at least two conspirants and an overt act.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1117

If no actual preparations were made to execute the plan, it would be clear violation of the 1st amendment. What is the case of being locked up for fantasizing?

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/video-gamer-arrested-...

Not even close to being the same thing.

What is the case of being locked up for fantasizing?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5990666

Looks like some judge in Texas needs a lesson in First Amendment... And some guy needs a good lawyer that would destroy this crappy indictment.

That's a nice theory, but there's a news article every fortnight these days about someone getting chucked in the slammer for a casual, jokey remark on twitter being interpreted as a "terrorist threat".

Are you trying to say that it isn't protected by the First Amendment, or that law enforcement is selective?

Do remember that a police officer who threatened to kill the First Lady still has his job.

Yeah, tell that to Justin Carter.

I'd rather tell that to his prosecutors, but if you want me to further his depression and risk another suicide by telling him his Constitutional rights were violated, then hey, that's your prerogative.

I won't, though, because I'm not that much of a dick. And I'd rather allow the First Amendment Center do the talking for me, since I'm not a trained lawyer.

It doesn't say it's a third party. We just don't know.

I'm assuming that the people downvoting this need a "woosh". At least, I hope so.

How many times do you explain and retell a joke before it stops being funny?

once

It's a trick question, because if you have to explain a joke, it probably wasn't funny in the first place.

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