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At work we've already had this discussion regarding the location of the web apps we use. Not because we manage "highly sensible" data, but because this entire situation bothers us at many levels.

Although not 100% decided, the "biggest" change we are planning is to move all of our Google Apps email/server to a private mail server located here in Europe + encryption for all. This is a relatively easy transition. A tougher change is finding (if it exists) a Box alternative.

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Spam filtering is also something that Gmail does pretty well. If you've got a public email address that's 'out there', a serious spam solution is pretty important.

I've been not very happy with Gmail's spam filtering, though I admit it's hard to do right. But its false positives were the main reason I moved away from it. The last straw was when they spam-filtered an email from my landlord because it contained some Danish text in it (I live in Denmark!). I eventually found it in my Spam folder (which I thereafter had to check regularly) with the explanation that it was filtered because "It's written in a different language than your messages typically use."

What have you replaced it with?

I regularly get emails in both Italian and English and it seems to get things right most of the time. And it filters out a ton of spam - I probably get at least 20 an hour, so without a good filter, I'd be "up a creek".

Unless of course you consider multiple daily SEO spams, "spam". Because GMail doesn't filter those at all. Even emails that are worded exactly the same but sent from a different source GMail address.

The answer to spam is to charge a nominal fee for each e-mail, whether in digital currency (Bitcoin, Ripple) or proof-of-work (SHA, Bcrypt, etc.).

Bitmessage integrates the latter (proof-of-work) and is working nicely at this stage, although I believe it may have some structural issues that will make scaling it up to many thousands of nodes difficult.

Have a look here: https://starthq.com/apps/?category=collaboration

We just added the country where each SaaS app is hosted, so you should be able to find some EU based alternatives to Box quickly.

While this is not necessarily a box service, it will sync across many devices in a very secure way: http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync-hero99371.html

> A tougher change is finding (if it exists) a Box alternative.

Depending on your needs, RetroShare might be the one: http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

Check out our Filecloud solution http://www.tonido.com/filecloud/

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