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> the fact remains that it [Maven] exists and most developers will have to interact with it at some point or another. That's simply not the case in many other systems.

Are you saying that when developing in Node, you don't have to interact with npm or other build & deployment utilities? End-users of packaged Java applications don't have to interact with Maven any more than end users of packaged C applications have to interact with Make.

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I was probably not clear. 'It' refers quite specifically to pom.xml, not Maven as a whole.

Thus :

> the fact remains that it [pom.xml] exists and most developers will have to interact with it at some point or another. That's simply not the case in many other systems.

Again, I would like to highlight that this entire discussion should be viewed through the lens of friction vs. frictionless tools, and what that means for community adoption.

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