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And it looks like it will be a massive annoyance for the user, kind of like how OS X now insists on showing me iCloud first every time I save a document, despite the fact that I have never stored any document in iCloud and have no intention of ever doing so.

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Annoying, but `defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSDocumentSaveNewDocumentsToCloud -bool false`

You are awesome, thank you. That worked great. :)

I want to hug you so hard right now.

thank you good sir!

Why an annoyance? For most users it will look and behave just like a normal folder.

It will be annoying if they do it like OS X, where they always default to that folder and give you no way to turn it off other than waiting for some kind soul on Hacker News to tell you the magic command line incantation. :)

I mean, I assume that even if it behaves like a regular folder, unless the user actually wants to store the file on SkyDrive, then that folder would not be where they want to save the thing.

I actually even store most document-y stuff on Dropbox, which made Apple's whole "iCloud? Wanna save that on iCloud? Put it in the iCloud? What, Dropbox, you sure you didn't mean iCloud? iCloud? Hey, try saving it in iCloud! Look, iCloud! Woah, by Dropbox, I think you meant iCloud, right? iCloud? iCloud?" behavior so annoying...

Nah, you're not seeing it like a normal user. I work in an office with non technical people and they NEVER know where they saved something. They just always use the program's default. My whole family except me does this as well. For the average person its a life saver if every program always defaults to SkyDrive. Now they only need to remember one or two folders ever to look for stuff. SkyDrive and Downloads. Now if they could just get downloads to go straight to SkyDrive then normal people will be set.

Until they forget their password to Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com (whatever it's called) again.

I find Hotmail's password length terrible and its recovery process tedious.

> Until they forget their password to Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com (whatever it's called) again.

There's no separate password. You log in to Microsoft/Live when you log in to your computer. If your computer is on, you have access to SkyDrive. If you forgot the password to unlock the whole computer, SkyDrive is not the top of your concerns.

I see, I misunderstood.

That's not too bad if done that way. Although I hope I don't get locked out by someone trying to log into my outlook account. It got to be so bad with Hotmail I only use it as an email for my Xbox account.

You used to be able to run a startup disk/startup CD to reset the administrator account password on most home PCs, though. That probably won't work as well when the account's in 'the cloud'?

Again, how would a normal user even notice. As far as they're concerned its a local folder, like the documents folder today.

The only password they need is the one to log into their computer.

Go to System Preferences > iCloud > Uncheck the option "Documents & Data" to change it via the GUI.

I believe that will actually disable the syncing of that data entirely, which probably isn't what you want because some apps rely on that sync.

But nixme's command-line tip above works to specifically fix the annoyance of having save dialogs always start with iCloud, while still allowing you to have it sync all that data.

Doesn't it just default to 'My Documents' now? This doesn't sound a lot different.

What about other programs that save there that are only tangentially documents. I'm thinking of things like saved game files which can often be upwards of 500MB and depending on the size of SkyDrive could fill it up quickly leading to documents not syncing. Or if some files (such as saved games) don't transfer that sounds like a recipe for user confusion.

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