Partial Tesla Model S recall
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The Model S does not need to be brought to our
service center by the owner. Tesla will pick up
the car at a location of the owner’s convenience,
provide a Model S loaner if needed, perform the
work and bring the car back to the owner a few
hours later.
Does anybody else offer service like this?Apple comes close, but from stories like smoke being considered a biohazard, I'd say no (they did offer replacement if you broke your screen on iPad IIRC). That said I don't consider that Tesla won't ever have a gaffe, but they are doing things perfectly so far.
> Yeah so my mouse doesn't work anymore, it's a <whatever model>
>> Ok do you have a serial number?
> Sure it's <serial number>
>> Could I have your address to send a replacement?
> <address>
>> OK thanks a lot, we'll get the new one send right away
> How do I send the old one back?
>> It's broken yeah?
> Yeah
>> Then you just throw it out or whatever, try to repair it if you enjoy that
No charge, no fuss, no bother. Love it when companies do that.
It's nice to be treated like a customer rather than a fraudster, and I definitely factor in warranty claim friendliness when I buy new hardware nowadays.
I wouldn't consider Mini to be a high end brand... and I didn't exactly have the nicest car they made. But the dealers always seemed to go out of their way to ensure that any downtime was as pleasurable as possible.
Hopefully Tesla is able to maintain their customer goodwill through this by doing similar.
Between my wife and I, we've owned several Mercedes, and I've never gotten a worse loaner than the car I dropped off. Also, an ML costs more than an E350 so that sounds pretty backwards.
Yes, Mercedes has really turned around their quality in the last few years. My wife owned a W204 C350 for 4 years that was absolutely flawless. A couple minor repairs. Now she's in an X204 that is too new to judge but so far so good.
I heard the W211 had a much improved track record from the W210 but I don't have any personal experience.
Can you make that judgement without taking selling price of the car into consideration (discounts etc.?). Raising the dealers costs requires them to make it up somewhere. Now in a perfect world perhaps giving that level of service might get more business and they would make it up on volume. Or maybe not.
This is faulty logic in these arguments. They can make it up by their shareholders buying a smaller boat.
I got loaned a Tiguan when I took my Jetta TDI in.
They both had nice features, but I'm dedicated to my cars and I have no intention to rid myself of them.
The most I've gotten out of them is a one way shuttle, which is only available until about noon each day.
I had a lower-end BMW model from a dealer that also sold other luxury brands (and Honda).
Whenever I needed a loaner from the service department, I got a Honda. When I had the car in for service and the service rep could see I had more than 100,000 miles on the car, I still got a Honda. When I sold the car I bought...a Toyota.
A perfect sales opportunity completely lost.
The first time, it broke. I called on a Tuesday at 6pm, they acknowledged the problem, and the day after I had a new one at 10am. I can't remember exactly how I returned the broken one, but I think I did it myself on the following days, to their freepost address.
The second time, I lost it. A couple of days later, they contacted me saying somebody had found it and called them. They shipped it back to me for free.
The high end models of "regular" high end car manufacturers also get service like this -- at the Audi dealer I use for dealer service (Stevens Creek), they have 2 dedicated mechanics for R8s. If you have an R8, you get essentially the Tesla service -- it's picked up at your home or office, you're chauffeured in an A8L if necessary, etc. For my 7 year old used A4, I just get a free loaner A4, TT, or Q5 for as long as service takes, which is fine too. I still go to an indy shop (Advanced Autowerks in SF) for non-warranty stuff now that I'm out of Audi Care service period, though, where they just give you $4 for the 3rd St Muni roundtrip. I assume MB SLS and other similar cars get similar treatment. Although, outside of San Francisco (parking), it seems unlikely anyone who owns a $200-300k car only owns that one car.
"The Audi A8 L is the first automobile in the world to be available with an integrated WLAN hotspot. A UMTS module provides the connection to the Internet."
It's weird how German cars are so much more expensive in Europe, for the same spec, than in the US. And yet the US only gets the high-end/luxury versions of cars (engines, trims) from BMW/Mercedes/Audi, so the entry price points are comparable. (obviously even worse in places with high taxes or other restrictions; in UAE BMWs were about 2x the US price, and Singapore has the 100% tax)
Yes, but I believe you may need to be in a special "pro photographers club" that each of these manufacturers offer to get this kind of service. They don't do it for the average consumer.
http://www.cps.usa.canon.com/about_cps/about.shtml
Summary: you only get loaners and and such once you've purchased "20 CPS points" worth of stuff, which seems to roughly amount to $12-15K worth of gear.
For the top tier, it's probably $10-20k of gear, and $500/yr.
I did need to drive to the dealership to collect it again, but I also had to be there to pay for the work done (giving me a chance to talk to the mechanic at the time).
1) Innovators/Early Adopters (their goodwill, word of mouth etc. is highly desired as is the feedback you can get)
2) High end stuff that is bought because it is high end (some level of service similar to this is standard for Porsche etc...also a good chance to sell you a new car :P)
3) Equipment that professionals use, it's basically an implicit insurance policy (cameras, lab equipment)
$70-100K cars are a most definitely a luxury item.
But the fact they do it at a place of your convenience seems really good.
We were all very, very impressed. That's service!
Considering a Casino can make many times the cost of the room on a visit depending on the customer, this is very, very good business.
when hyundai launched the equus, they specifically offered this feature as a selling point to people who couldn't afford a 7 series, and would other wise get a 5 series.
With Tesla ~$100/share, It'll have to go up 14% just to break even on the trade. Even if you just buy in single shares but exit in multiple shares to spread the commission, you still have to fade 7% commission. Not worth it.
If you're investing in the hundreds of dollars, you should look for low commission options such as CDs.
Edit: I accidentally replied to the post. My comment was meant in response to this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5904397
Still, it's saved me at least 1k over the last 2 years.
I can understand the desire to experiment, just keep that in mind for future trades. Commission can be a killer as you trade more, especially if you trade less than a few thousand dollars at a time.
This I can understand. It's nice psychologically to be an owner of something.
> and see how it would perform
But this you can do without buying :)
Depending on your social circle, this gets done with kids a lot, especially with an old fashioned issued paper share instead of electronic. Decades ago Disney used to have quite an elaborate paper stock certificate for this purpose and they obviously used their professional artists and graphics designers. My local electric company in comparison looked little better than a secretary hand typed it, which might be how they made it... Perhaps they still do this. Its hard to find a corporation worth endorsing to my kids like this.
Also during the first dotcom boom there were at least a couple people collecting paper certificates from dotcoms and they still trade among themselves to this day as collectibles.
Just some interesting ideas to think about / google about.
(I still almost bought one though.)
http://www.giveashare.com/stockcertificates.shtml
Keeping it on topic, you'll be out about $200 for a nicely framed paper share from Tesla Motors, at least from these guys.
Back in the old days, or at least in the 70s, this was a much more complicated manual process where you'd have to call your broker and pay a ridiculous commission and usually a relatively modest (compared to recently...) delivery fee, and then frame it yourself, and possibly engrave a plaque yourself, etc.
Also looks like paper shares are going completely away, which is really too bad, as they were a kinda cool gift idea. From a purely PR perspective you'd think the marketing dept would keep it on life support, at least at some companies, even if it moves out of the finance dept. Perhaps an attractive one page sign declaring you're a shareholder, as opposed to formal legal stock certificates. Maybe it'll all be "mozilla open badge system" instead LOL.
The dotcom collector guys are going to be sad that literally no facebook paper share certificates will ever be issued, for example. All electronic now via the DRS. I was in financial services industry about 20 years ago and I'm astounded it took this long to eliminate paper... Had to wait for the dinosaurs to die off I guess.
Ha! At first I thought you meant "done with kids" as some people make'm so they can say they have one.
Of course, other than those two, I think the next most expensive stocks are in the google/apple $400-1000 range.
Loyal3 works with publicly-traded companies on creating a Customer Stock Ownership Plan or CSOP. In a CSOP, a company pays the brokerage fees on behalf of the investor because it might want to have more of a connection and more loyalty from its shareholders (in contrast to dealing with day traders, high-frequency trading algorithms or other types of activist shareholders). A customer that loves the company’s product might be more inclined to stick around during a difficult patch, for example.
But if you have to deliver bad news, that is how you do it - proactively and efficiently. It answers every question a Model S owner will have whilst providing solutions to every problem. Brilliant.
And it's good to remember that an automotive recall is very different from other sorts of product recalls. People bring their cars in and get them repaired.
Tesla's going to spend a little money fixing ~1000-2000[1] brackets and that'll be the end of it.
[1](Last I heard, they're building about 2000 cars/month.)
You should consider getting out of the stock market until you have better nerves, or you're gonna have a bad time.
If you are that manufacturer, you can save a little money by quietly telling your service centers how to fix it without informing the public. Auto manufacturers do this on a regular basis, even with serious powertrain safety issues like the ones found in Ford's 2009+ Ecoboost engine and Audi's 2002-6 CVT. Like Ford and Audi, you will probably get away with it. Your customers won't notice the pattern until their cars are well out of warranty, and then they'll blame it on age. If anyone dies as a result (and their family connects it to you) you'll just settle confidentially out of court.
As far as I can tell, that is not what Musk chose to do. Tesla will be fixing the issue at no expense to the customer, before the NHTSA or the class action lawyers force their hand. I truly respect that decision.
Also, I love that it's attributed to Elon and signed with his first name.
They have to offer this level of customer service because other luxury makers do. I don't have a luxury vehicle (I own a 2001 VW Eurovan), but my mechanic, who services European cars, offers rides and loaner cars to his customers because that's what someone who owns an Audi or a BMW expects. Anything less than this would have meant lost sales.
I wonder if this will result in a robot getting reprogrammed or welder getting retrained (or fired).
Part of making new things is learning how to make them, and that means mistakes. I hope they get this sorted out and everyone comes away happy.
Sounds more like the frame isn't holding tight enough tolerances for the body to be "right," so they are pushing or pulling the frame into position on the factory floor. The forcing of the frame into position is what broke the weld.
For another really great example of this sort of thing, watch the Domino's pizza prank response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dem6eA7-A2I).
The weld has not actually detached on any car There have been no customer complaints"
Hmmm, I know someone who had this fail and brought it back to Tesla with a complaint. She was told this would be the beginning of the first Tesla recall.
"Tesla is building a fleet of top of the line Model S loaners. These will not be our basic model – they will be state of the art with all the best features and options." And it's available for immediate purchase, of course.
And, "customers in most markets will have the choice of taking home one of our Tesla Roadster sports cars when their car is in for service."
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