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If you watched the announcement I think you can get a sense that Sony has learned a lot from their past. You can tell that they cared about the people that they made this product for.

Something really striking about this whole Xbox One vs PS4 thing is how one sided the enthusiasm is (in favor of the PS4). It's all the more striking when you consider that the gaming community is one of the most passionate, fickle, and hardest-to-please bunch of people there are.

I think Sony really listened to what people really wanted and made something with those things in mind.

Just gauging the reactions from across the internet and from across my diverse group of friends, the PS4 is being received so incredibly well and the sentiment towards the Xbox One is exactly the opposite.

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I've noticed this too. It's funny because the gaming community tends to be very polarized into fanboy groups for each console. It sort of weird right now because it seems like almost everyone is super pro Playstation. It's like the Xbox fans are pissed off and staying silent, and the Nintendo fans have just given up.

The fanboyism is rooted in nothing that has to do with the consoles themselves. It's neotribalism at its most blatant: it's the need to belong among a group sometimes reviled (usually, ironically enough, for the rampant and verbally violent neotribalism).

This is absolutely untrue. If you watched the Sony E3 presentation for example, the moment the crowd went wild was the announcement of used game support, no check-ins, and ownership of games. This is by far the most important reason the PS4 is getting so much support, and it has nothing to do with neotribalism. The presentation was incredibly well done.

What saddened me most about that reaction was that it was for the announcement of something that we have always had. The biggest reaction at E3 was to a non-restriction, not a game!

It's only for the benefit of all the people who keep saying "Sony hasn't confirmed or denied that they won't be doin the same as the Xbone"

That's not what I'm talking about.

OK, then, how does your "neotribalism" theory explain the very sudden dissolution of three tribes into just one, while at the same time casting the original three tribes as "neotribal"? I don't see how you can call the original situation A, then insist that the exact opposite occurring is also a case of A. Or at least not without a great deal more justification of that than just tossing out a single word.

Sorry what? A giant megacorp cares about the people they made this for? I very much doubt it.

If they had learned their lesson and cared at all they'd reinstate linux on PS3, apologise to George Hotz and all the others they sued (and reimburse them for their costs), and maybe apologise for the rootkit fiasco.

> the PS4 is being received so incredibly well and the sentiment towards the Xbox One is exactly the opposite.

It's probably because Sony hasn't said anything yet about their used game policy. I would seriously doubt they don't get publishers get their way on the Sony console as well just as they did on the Xboxone. Unless they want to shoot themselves in the foot and lose publishers support.

They announced that you can sell your used games if you like, share them with your friends, or keep them forever.

Essentially you can do whatever you want with your games; zero DRM.

Umm ... no one said anything about zero DRM. The existing generation of consoles have drm but let you play used games, sell games, etc.

Go look at the number one thread in r/gaming right now.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming

http://imgur.com/ymUneDP

Sony may have won out of the established competitors but the Oculus Rift will be coming out this generation too. Given the support it has so far I don't doubt that it will become a major competitor, so it's too early to say Sony 'won'.

Although the Oculus Rift is exciting tech, I don't really have high hopes for a product that makes nearly every user feel nauseated.

As far as I know, the Oculus Rift isn't really a competitor in that it's not a console. It's not stand-alone. Doesn't it require a gaming PC to actually power the display? In that sense, it's not the Oculus Rift that's a new competitor, it's that the old competitor (PC gaming) has just gotten a new innovation.

Oculus Rift is a peripheral, it's not a gaming platform. For all we know, the PS4 might get Oculus Rift support in an update.

And that aside, the Oculus Rift, if anything, would just bring a new part to the battle between PC vs console gaming. It's not really related to this at all.

They said this about their used game policy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

(for those who can't watch it, it sounds like they gave the green light for all kinds of used games and sharing)

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